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Real Madrid v Chelsea (CL) Wed 12th Apr 2023 20:00 GMT

pretty typical to see the opinions im seeing. A few weeks ago it was all on potter, but when lampard is doing even worse lets not blame the manager and blame the players instead (except mount)

how absurd

 
Argo said:
We won the super cup before Lukaku arrived and yes got to two finals but if the striker is the be an and end all how do you explain we lost lost those finals to a team that was playing a winger up front on both occasions? One of which Lukaku played for 85 minutes and did the square root of f**k all.

We also won the UCL (and made top 4) without Lukaku the year before. City won the league without a out and out 9 twice (and now maybe surrending it despite having the best one around to a team that guess what? Don't usually play with an out and out 9), Liverpool won the league and UCL with attacking midfielder Firmino leading the line.

We made 3rd due to runs of form we had when Lukaku was injured (in the autumn) and finally benched (after his 7 touch masterclass vs Palace). Had we persisted with him all season we probably wouldn't have made it.
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Im not saying its the be all end all, I said we’d be higher up the table with a few strikers, we still need a good manager. 
 

The year before we still had Giroud and Tammy. 
 

Liverpool won the league with Salah and Mane, we have Sterling and Ziyech. If youre going to play without strikers you still need players who can get you 20 goals a season, we dont.

I also remember how awful we played with Hazard playing up front and with Willian and Pedro on the wings. It just never worked for us. 

 
Next week is the biggest game of the season. Failing that then we might as well bring in the new manager for early pre-season

 
Vialli96 said:
Won the super cup, Finished 3rd and made 2 domestic cup finals. Hence why I said we finish in the top 4 with a striker. Youve just proven my point you numpty.

If you cant value or see what a striker brings to the table you are someone who hasnt played the game, not even to a local level. 
 

‘Antonio’ without Costa Chelsea dont get anywhere winning the league in 16-17.
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we did that with basically Kai at CF. Lukaku had a bit part role. Did he contribute? Sometimes but it's not like we were reliant on Lukaku

 
Deino said:
Next week is the biggest game of the season. Failing that then we might as well bring in the new manager for early pre-season
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I think this changing managers on quarterly basis is a good thing. Roman never had the balls to do so. Boehly is still learning but soon it is a reality. As a corporate man he knows the world is measured in quarters. 

 
I've watched the first goal again this morning.

OMG what an absolute cluster f**k that was from the entire midfield and defence ... 

First frame : we have a three man midfield and you can practically throw a hoop over them ... I'm no coach, but that "shape" relative to the pitch looks terrible to me. It's like they're all ball-chasing.

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Second frame ... ball is played across to the huge space that Carvajal can move into. James and Fofana are in horrible positions here (red circle) - both wrong side of the two Madrid players 

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Third frame : thee ball is about to be played forward. Fofana has realised the danger and started to shift. James has hardly moved.  Silva and Koulibaly, with Fofana,  have about 2 yards on Vinicius and Benzema at this point. 

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Fourth frame :  but now the defence has been completely out-paced and both Madrid players are ahead of them.  Chilwell has hardly moved, just stood there watching Benzema move into position A for a potential rebound. James just jogging slowly into the penalty area. A long way away from the main action now.

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No way we should have conceded this goal. Terrible positioning, and poor reactions to a threat all round. 

Someone like Ashley Cole would have been scampering back to where Benzema ultimately scores from ... and would either have booted it out for a corner when Kepa spilled it, or have been on the goal line to attempt a block.

 
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OriginalS said:
Another player that was handled in a shambolic way by Potter in my opinion alongside Datro Fofana and many others. At the start he looked like exactly the kind of striker we needed - someone that could put the ball in the net. With Tuchel at the club I am 100% sure Aubameyang would be our top scorer this season with 20+ goals.
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Doubt that very much. Aubameyang despite a couple of goals, has looked a completely spent force. His work rate has been non-existent. His hold up play, too, non-existent. 

 
The second goal is probably even worse for the set up and positioning. We are unbelievably bunched and there is acres of space for the Madrid players on the edge of the box

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We've got our 9 remaining outfield players essentially covering only 3 or 4 of theirs .... 

 
Sexyfootball said:
The second goal is probably even worse for the set up and positioning. We are unbelievably bunched and there is acres of space for the Madrid players on the edge of the box

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We've got our 9 remaining outfield players essentially covering only 3 or 4 of theirs .... 
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Poor Kante missing Jorginho, he got blown away by an aging Modric. This is how much structure and stability we're lacking.

 
just said:
Thanks Gol. I just want to say, on behalf of everyone here, you always know how to make us laugh. 
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I was saying about the lack of a good striker while you were crying about Jorginho, now you sound like me so I guess I always get the last laugh anyway.

 
WhiteWall said:
Assuming there will be positive signs at some point.

There is a developing symmetry with the disastrous US ownership of Liverpool by Hicks and Gillett just in the calamitous way we seem to lurch from crisis to crisis with Boehly apparently fanning the flames of media mockery rather than diffusing things or just keeping his bloody gob shut. Which is worrying. 

Next stage perhaps a major falling out between Boehly and Eghbali as the implications of financial mismanagement take a firmer grip of the club.
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Interesting comparison with Hicks/Gillett. I forgot about them but they were comically bad for Liverpool. I agree that to date we should have similar concerns.

 
Snedger said:
Personally, I don't quite agree with that. Despite even winning the CL, I feel that we'd been a house of cards for some time. The forced change of ownership is what brought it finally crashing down. But Boehly and Clearlakes ownership could probably have even brought down an underground nuclear bunker made of 6 foot thick reinforced concrete.
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I wouldn't exactly name it "a house of cards" but surely changes were needed as the gap between us and City/Liverpool became huge at a certain point. After the CL win I thought there was a sense of momentum which could've turned things around rapidly. Sadly we didn't make any use of it mostly because of disastrous transfer decisions that summer. Still things were looking promising until Boehly & co. decided it was a good idea to change the whole system. Fair play to them, they managed to ruin our club in record time...

 
Sexyfootball said:
The second goal is probably even worse for the set up and positioning. We are unbelievably bunched and there is acres of space for the Madrid players on the edge of the box

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We've got our 9 remaining outfield players essentially covering only 3 or 4 of theirs .... 
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And I'm 100% sure a better keeper would have saved it too - Thibaut for instance...

 
Valerie said:
Hence why some people were hesitant about sacking Potter. It's never just one reason things are going badly. 
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Amen to that Val, but for some it is all Potter, the players are only bad because of him, only thing board did wrong was appoint Potter etc etc.

Valerie said:
Some of those bellends are residing here. Every loss is a step towards a New Jerusalem, donchaknow. 
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Yup, a fair bit of head in sand reactions.

 
WhiteWall said:
another record. The ghost of Potter lives on. Woohoo
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When are you going to stop blaming Potter for the teams failings?  Next game?  Two games?  End of the season? Next year? Five years time? hundred years time? Potter hasn't been anywhere near the club for the last three games, three games in which we have scored NOTHING, yet its not the players its Potter!??

 
wizardous said:
I wouldn't exactly name it "a house of cards" but surely changes were needed as the gap between us and City/Liverpool became huge at a certain point. After the CL win I thought there was a sense of momentum which could've turned things around rapidly. Sadly we didn't make any use of it mostly because of disastrous transfer decisions that summer. Still things were looking promising until Boehly & co. decided it was a good idea to change the whole system. Fair play to them, they managed to ruin our club in record time...
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I think the transfer bans, the sanctions and the change of owner have an awful lot to do with it.

 
MGPimlico said:
watching Man City last night just demonstrates how devoid we are of team spirit .. this is going to take two seasons to sort, at least 
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But will any new managerial appointment be given two seasons, unfortunately I doubt it.

 
Deino said:
Next week is the biggest game of the season. Failing that then we might as well bring in the new manager for early pre-season
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I'm wondering why we can't do that?  I'm hoping its because the board want to ponder the next move VERY carefully, ideally though we need the new man to have as much 'pressure off' time as possible, the new man will not face 'pressure' for the remainder of this god forsaken season, the pressure WILL however get ramped up a few games into next season when we are not in the top 4!!  We HAVE to give the new man a chance!

 
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