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Alex Sandro

Is this guy really an upgrade over Alonso?

A great advantage for Alonso is his height which is very imp in this league and also considering that we have lots of short players. And he won a lot lot of headers every match last season. Matic too is going to be replaced by a guy of average height in the starting eleven.

 
Argo said:
Yes

Jose kept playing a past it Ivan for that reason.

Bakayoko average height?/??
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RMCM said:
Nah he's well below average.


for a basketballer. The bloke is 6'4", he's even taller than matic and matic has a jump on him like a granny in a bomb disposal suit
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Compared to Matic (194), Bakayoko (184) is average and compared to Alonso (188), Sandro (181) is also average.

And Alonso, alongwith Cahill and Luiz won the most headers for us last season. And for those headers along the wings, whether in defense or attack, I cant recollect Alonso losing out on any. That tactic to put in aerial balls towards Alonso while attacking, which was used a lot and successfully too, wont work that good with Sandro.

 
He's not average 'compared to' anyone. An average is a median value, it's taken from a broader base than just two. He's shorter not average. This height obsession does my nut in anyway. If a player is sh*t at jumping, A la Matic, then a shorter player with a better jump will win headers majority of the time. Alonso is great, I love him, but Sandro is world class, alonso is very good but not on his level. If we need more height play alonso against the likes of West Brom, but majority of teams don't just thump balls to the back post hoping ofr the best, and i'd rather Sandro there for his pace against fast wingers. There's always pros and cons, but Sandro's pros far outweigh his cons

 
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RMCM said:
He's not average 'compared to' anyone. An average is a median value, it's taken from a broader base than just two. He's shorter not average. This height obsession does my nut in anyway. If a player is sh*t at jumping, A la Matic, then a shorter player with a better jump will win headers majority of the time. Alonso is great, I love him, but Sandro is world class, alonso is very good but not on his level. If we need more height play alonso against the likes of West Brom, but majority of teams don't just thump balls to the back post hoping ofr the best, and i'd rather Sandro there for his pace against fast wingers. There's always pros and cons, but Sandro's pros far outweigh his cons
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I also think that the main reason why we lump it up to Alonso when going forward is because we aren't very good playing it out from the back on that left hand side. Having Sandro there will force us to keep the ball on the floor and pass it around better, which is something i am sure Conte wants when playing 3 cb's and 2 wing backs.

 
RMCM said:
He's not average 'compared to' anyone. An average is a median value, it's taken from a broader base than just two. He's shorter not average. This height obsession does my nut in anyway. If a player is sh*t at jumping, A la Matic, then a shorter player with a better jump will win headers majority of the time. Alonso is great, I love him, but Sandro is world class, alonso is very good but not on his level. If we need more height play alonso against the likes of West Brom, but majority of teams don't just thump balls to the back post hoping ofr the best, and i'd rather Sandro there for his pace against fast wingers. There's always pros and cons, but Sandro's pros far outweigh his cons
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Well, I havent seen Bakayoko play,so I could only compare their height. So if hes a better jumper, thats fine replacing Matic.

But we are talking about Sandro here who is no match for Alonso aerially whether it be jumping or height. In UCL matches, I would go for Sandro. But when facing PL rivals like ManU and Spurs [I am talking about title rivals only, otherwise we have West Brom and more teams and suppose its a 1 goal lead after 85mins, all bottom half teams just bombard us with crosses, in the PL]  who are very good aerially, I would always select Alonso.

This will be more significant if we somehow manage to sign Verratti and want to play him alongside Kante.

 
frendz said:
Compared to Matic (194), Bakayoko (184) is average and compared to Alonso (188), Sandro (181) is also average.

And Alonso, alongwith Cahill and Luiz won the most headers for us last season. And for those headers along the wings, whether in defense or attack, I cant recollect Alonso losing out on any. That tactic to put in aerial balls towards Alonso while attacking, which was used a lot and successfully too, wont work that good with Sandro.
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Ashley Cole was 176. What is your obsession with height? Maybe we should replace Costa and Batshuayi with Carroll and Crouch and just go look for the tallest players for every position. This way we're guaranteed to dominate aerial duels vs every opponent. Granted, we're going to be sh*t at passing, dribbling, tackling, crossing and scoring, but who cares about that stuff.

 
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TheChelseaBlues said:
“A substantial offer has arrived.”

“We have no intention of selling anyone, but if a player decides to leave, as has happened in previous years, then at the end of the day he has to go, because we don’t keep anyone against their will.”

“But at the moment there are no such situations and I hope nobody will leave.”
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IMO this comment feels like Juventus are quite open to selling him. If they had no interest in selling him they would publicly say he's going nowhere and issue a hands off warning

50 million plus is a huge sum for a LWB and Juventus have always been quite willing to sell their best players down the years

 
Sparkz said:
IMO this comment feels like Juventus are quite open to selling him. If they had no interest in selling him they would publicly say he's going nowhere and issue a hands off warning

50 million plus is a huge sum for a LWB and Juventus have always been quite willing to sell their best players down the years
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What part of "we have no intention of selling anyone" looks like they are quite open to the idea?

 
TheChelseaBlues said:
What part of "we have no intention of selling anyone" looks like they are quite open to the idea?
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".....but if a player decides to leave, as has happened in previous years, then at the end of the day he has to go, because we don’t keep anyone against their will."

Bit different from Bayern's statement on Lewandoski, ehy?

 
Barrettinator said:
".....but if a player decides to leave, as has happened in previous years, then at the end of the day he has to go, because we don’t keep anyone against their will."

Bit different from Bayern's statement on Lewandoski, ehy?
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OhForAGreavsie said:
The "but" part.
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So short of threatening to report clubs to FIFA means they are quite open to selling. Jesus you guys are seeing what you want. Im sure Bayern would sell Lewa if he refused to play for them as well, that's normal in today's world. We'd consider 100m for Hazard especially if he wants to go but that doesn't mean we're open to selling him does it? I've been saying this since the beginning, Sandro will need to push for this move. That's the easiest way for it to happen and again we look like we're about to find ourselves at a disadvantage in a prolonged transfer negotiation. 

Maybe I'm out of the loop but does the player want to leave Juventus? What's more, does he want to come here if he does? They have no intent to sell, they don't need to sell and it looks like he's perfectly happy there. Time to move on to Plan B. At a certain point it's not worth the time or money to keep this up, that's economics. We could buy Aubameyang for 70m for Christ's sake

 
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