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TheChelseaBlues said:
So short of threatening to report clubs to FIFA means they are quite open to selling. Jesus you guys are seeing what you want. Im sure Bayern would sell Lewa if he refused to play for them as well, that's normal in today's world. We'd consider 100m for Hazard especially if he wants to go but that doesn't mean we're open to selling him does it? I've been saying this since the beginning, Sandro will need to push for this move. That's the easiest way for it to happen and again we look like we're about to find ourselves at a disadvantage in a prolonged transfer negotiation. 

Maybe I'm out of the loop but does the player want to leave Juventus? What's more, does he want to come here if he does? They have no intent to sell, they don't need to sell and it looks like he's perfectly happy there. Time to move on to Plan B. At a certain point it's not worth the time or money to keep this up, that's economics. We could buy Aubameyang for 70m for Christ's sake
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OK, we're just using different definitions of 'open to'  but I think we agree on where Juve stand.

If I've understood you correctly, you take 'open' to mean actively looking to sell. Well, as far as any of us know, you're correct about that, Juve are not actively looking to sell. They are however prepared to do so under the right circumstances, and that is how I interpret the phrase, 'open to'.

For example, when Wenger says he would prefer to allow xyz player to run down his contract than to sell him, that's what I call not open to selling. Of course whether we should believe Wenger when he says that is another matter. Clubs have shown in the past that they can resist a player's determination to leave but it's a risk. On the whole, Juve's attitude seems sensible.

 
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TheChelseaBlues said:
[SIZE=inherit]...Maybe I'm out of the loop but does the player want to leave Juventus? What's more, does he want to come here if he does? They have no intent to sell, they don't need to sell and it looks like he's perfectly happy there. Time to move on to Plan B. At a certain point it's not worth the time or money to keep this up, that's economics. We could buy Aubameyang for 70m for Christ's sake[/SIZE]
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None of us know of course but it would be unusual for a club to pursue a player without some encouragement. That encouragement may be real, or it may be in furtherance of the player's own agenda, but it must exist, and the club must believe in it, for them to continue.

Where I do take issue with you, and please correct me if I've misinterpreted you, is your apparent implication that you know something the club's executives do not. We can agree, can't we, that they wouldn't maintain a chase for a player if they did not believe there to be a chance of success? If you and I can give each other credit for not being stupid, then surely we can apply the same assumption to the people handling this bid.

 
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Seriously, how much better is he than Alonso? I don't think Alonso will settle for the backup LWB, I could see him moving on if we sign Sandro. That could be a shame, because Alonso has been excellent last season.

 
icecoolguy22 said:
Seriously, how much better is he than Alonso? I don't think Alonso will settle for the backup LWB, I could see him moving on if we sign Sandro. That could be a shame, because Alonso has been excellent last season.
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Much better. Think back to when we replaced Del Horno with Cole. 

 
Alonso is a lot better than del horno. That is a ridiculous relative comparison.

If you are an optimist what you see is juve like the price and want to sell but to keep the fans happy it has to look like the players decision.

He is a great wingback from what I saw when juve played and we need more strength in that area.

 
Admittedly not seen much of Alex Sandro. Read something in the media today that suggests he is the second best LB in the world after Marcelo, fair statement?

 
MissouriBlue said:
Admittedly not seen much of Alex Sandro. Read something in the media today that suggests he is the second best LB in the world after Marcelo, fair statement?
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Very fair, especially considering Alaba's performances have dipped a bit recently. I think Sandro's better than Marcelo defensively but Marcelo is still in another world offensively. Which is not to diminish Sandro fantastic offensive output. Marcelo is just unbelievably elite going forward.
 
Xfaxtor said:
Fair enough. A few players vying for that titte and he is certainly in the running
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Barrettinator said:
Very fair, especially considering Alaba's performances have dipped a bit recently. I think Sandro's better than Marcelo defensively but Marcelo is still in another world offensively. Which is not to diminish Sandro fantastic offensive output. Marcelo is just unbelievably elite going forward.
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In case you were interested in the article...it's from the express but I just read what Hislop had to say.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/820537/Chelsea-Transfer-News-Alex-Sandro-Juventus-gossip-rumours

 
This transfer story sounds unbelievable - the fee being mooted (60 million pounds!), the player's status as a world class full back, Juventus being one of the strongest clubs in Europe. 

Don't see it happening.

 
OhForAGreavsie said:
None of us know of course but it would be unusual for a club to pursue a player without some encouragement. That encouragement may be real, or it may be in furtherance of the player's own agenda, but it must exist, and the club must believe in it, for them to continue.

Where I do take issue with you, and please correct me if I've misinterpreted you, is your apparent implication that you know something the club's executives do not. We can agree, can't we, that they wouldn't maintain a chase for a player if they did not believe there to be a chance of success? If you and I can give each other credit for not being stupid, then surely we can apply the same assumption to the people handling this bid.
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I know very little about it. Like I said I'm out of the loop on this. Some here seem to know Sandro wants to leave and Juve will sell him. I'm sure the latter is true, but for the right price. If the club are convinced he's worth the time and money and he'd leave Juve then great lets do it. I don't see any headway being made unless he pushes for a move, which I personally haven't seen or heard a thing about

 
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TheChelseaBlues said:
I know very little about it. Like I said I'm out of the loop on this. Some here seem to know Sandro wants to leave and Juve will sell him. I'm sure the latter is true, but for the right price. If the club are convinced he's worth the time and money and he'd leave Juve then great lets do it. I don't see any headway being made unless he pushes for a move, which I personally haven't seen or heard a thing about
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When would we be in the loop about any of this?

 
TheChelseaBlues said:
I'm just answering your question. How do you, or anyone know Juve are open to selling? 
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Because, as I explained above, that is the way we have interpreted a reliably attributed statement of their club president.

On the other hand, your assertion that this transfer can't be possible because we're not in the loop, seems to rely on the improbable notion that we might ever be in the loop anyway. In fact you can be absolutely certain that I have never been in the loop with any CFC transfer, ever. How can you be sure of that? The same way I can be sure that you never have been either. There is nothing wrong with believing this deal is a non-starter. That's a perfectly legitimate and rational view to take based on experience. Loops have nothing to do with it, and just confuse the issue.

 
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OhForAGreavsie said:
Because, as I explained above, that is the way we have interpreted a reliably attributed statement of their club president.

On the other hand, your assertion that this transfer can't be possible because we're not in the loop, seems to rely on the improbable notion that we might ever be in the loop anyway. In fact you can be absolutely certain that I have never been in the loop with any CFC transfer, ever. How can you be sure of that? The same way I can be sure that you never have been either. There is nothing wrong with believing this deal is a non-starter. That's a perfectly legitimate and rational view to take based on experience. Loops have nothing to do with it, and just confuse the issue.
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You're putting words in my mouth. You interpret it one way, I another. Actually I don't think interpretation is needed

 
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On the left back situation. Any idea why Jonas Hector hasn't factored into our discussions? Had been excellent for Germany at Confed Cup and adds a bit of versatility in that he plays in midfield for Cologne.

I'm a bit concerned that we might end up with a pair of reserve left/right backs who don't play other positions.

 
Spiller86 said:
On the left back situation. Any idea why Jonas Hector hasn't factored into our discussions? Had been excellent for Germany at Confed Cup and adds a bit of versatility in that he plays in midfield for Cologne.
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Because he isnt any good and cant possibly play anything other then wingback for us.

 
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