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Deino said:
I doubt he'd accept it. But who knows, we've got Rudiger now. 

Question, what do you think of Rudiger? Is he good or bad?
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well bonucci is a different category all together.  Rudiger is a good player but in my book it would never be worth anywhere near 40 million Euro.

He is very strong physically and very fast. Besides he is able to play in two roles which is a value added. He is not very smart tactically  and sometimes he looses concentration during the game allowing chances. With Conte he will improve for sure these two aspects because otherwise he will not play :) The area that I dislike the most is his character,he is not straight as a arrow, he often provokes opponents and simulates, and I am not sure he will be able to change that. He reminds me another player with the same attitude, Pepe

 
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B&Wlegends said:
well bonucci is a different category all together.  Rudiger is a good player but in my book it would never be worth anywhere near 40 million Euro.

He is very strong physically and very fast. Besides he is able to play in two roles which is a value added. He is not very smart tactically  and sometimes he looses concentration during the game allowing chances. With Conte he will improve for sure these two aspects because otherwise he will not play :) The area that I dislike the most is his character,he is not straight as a arrow, he often provokes opponents and simulates, and I am not sure he will be able to change that. He reminds me another player with the same attitude, Pepe
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It worried me about being tactically aware because I had thiughhe will displace Garry eventually, however luiz also is tactically unaware at times, although he has improved greatly, those two may not be a good combo in that aspect, having Terry yelling at him throughout the game would have worked wonders for that, as for being provocative for a defender that actually works well in our league as long as he is smart enough not to get booked, I've no problem with winding up strikers within limits of course 

 
DonAntonio said:
It worried me about being tactically aware because I had thiughhe will displace Garry eventually, however luiz also is tactically unaware at times, although he has improved greatly, those two may not be a good combo in that aspect, having Terry yelling at him throughout the game would have worked wonders for that, as for being provocative for a defender that actually works well in our league as long as he is smart enough not to get booked, I've no problem with winding up strikers within limits of course 
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With Antonio he will improve his tactical skills a lot, there is no doubt about that. When Conte took over Juve Bonucci was anywhere near the player he became afterwards. The issue is more about whether he is able to put the will to improve and to keep his concentration high all the time and on the side to improve his fair play record as well.

 
B&Wlegends said:
With Antonio he will improve his tactical skills a lot, there is no doubt about that. When Conte took over Juve Bonucci was anywhere near the player he became afterwards. The issue is more about whether he is able to put the will to improve and to keep his concentration high all the time and on the side to improve his fair play record as well.
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Please take this in no way as an offence but I'm surprised to see an Italian fan find fair play so important, I though a bit of gamesmanship was appreciated in Italian football? I think the World Cup will be good motivation for him to concentrate and we have seen what Conte has done with luiz in that aspect, I'm optimistic.  

 
DonAntonio said:
Please take this in no way as an offence but I'm surprised to see an Italian fan find fair play so important, I though a bit of gamesmanship was appreciated in Italian football? I think the World Cup will be good motivation for him to concentrate and we have seen what Conte has done with luiz in that aspect, I'm optimistic.  
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you are right and probably I noticed it more in Rudiger because he played for Roma. However I do like tough defenders but I dislike simulators also when they play for juve like Cuadrado or Lichtsteiner who are good players but have the same issue. Rudiger I felt a few times he brought this malice to the next level  in a few occasions and disliked him for that

 
B&Wlegends said:
you are right and probably I noticed it more in Rudiger because he played for Roma. However I do like tough defenders but I dislike simulators also when they play for juve like Cuadrado or Lichtsteiner who are good players but have the same issue. Rudiger I felt a few times he brought this malice to the next level  in a few occasions and disliked him for that
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Personally I really respect that and I like fair play   , unfortunately because Chelsea usually play fairly st times in Europe we have lost our advantage to teams who were more streetwise, Psg were a perfect example a couple of years ago, and I started to think if it's part of the game within reason we need a bit of it, simulation though I deteste.

 
I'd now dump the Danilo deal as I only think we were interested in him as bait for Sandro...and the price for Matic is £50m...

 
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Don't get too disheartened about not getting Sandro, Alonso has been amazing last season and to be honest all we really need is a decent back up.

Of course Sandro is much better than Alonso but if they refused a big offer from us then what can we do?

 
dansubrosa said:
Don't get too disheartened about not getting Sandro, Alonso has been amazing last season and to be honest all we really need is a decent back up.

Of course Sandro is much better than Alonso but if they refused a big offer from us then what can we do?
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I got railed on for suggesting this same thing about Alonso/RicRod earlier. It seems Alonso has gone from not being good enough when this saga started to now being mentioned in the same breath as Sandro and Alaba. 

 
TheChelseaBlues said:
I got railed on for suggesting this same thing about Alonso/RicRod earlier. It seems Alonso has gone from not being good enough when this saga started to now being mentioned in the same breath as Sandro and Alaba. 
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For me Alonso did an ok job last season, but his pace will always be a weakness that the best teams can exploit. Sandro would be a big upgrade.

 
TheChelseaBlues said:
I got railed on for suggesting this same thing about Alonso/RicRod earlier. It seems Alonso has gone from not being good enough when this saga started to now being mentioned in the same breath as Sandro and Alaba. 
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No, Sandro is an upgrade while RicRod is a downgrade. Alonso was great for us. That's all there is to it.

 
Deino said:
No, Sandro is an upgrade while RicRod is a downgrade. Alonso was great for us. That's all there is to it.
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No what? Alonso has been great so far which is why I think we'd be alright with him as first choice as long as we have a complimentary backup

 RicRod would also be an upgrade at backup LWB over who we have there now. Nobody has suggested dropping Alonso unless we could have gotten Sandro.

 
TheChelseaBlues said:
No what? Alonso has been great so far which is why I think we'd be alright with him as first choice as long as we have a complimentary backup

 RicRod would also be an upgrade at backup LWB over who we have there now. Nobody has suggested dropping Alonso unless we could have gotten Sandro.
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By no I mean Alonso is not not good enough and not as good as Sandro/Alaba. Everything with what you said I agree with. 

RicRod as backup isn't something I agree with tho. Aside from everything that's been said about him, he'll need to play regularly to gel with the team. If he's the backup then that'd mean less playing time which could lead to lack of team chemisty leading to him not performing at his best. As the wingback position is crucial to us thus far, it could lead to very damaging results.

If Alonso was backup, we have less to worry about as he knows the ins and outs of the system and we're pretty much accustomed to people targeting him. If RicRod is backup, teams who targeted Alonso will be much happier with RicRod as he's slower and not as tall so you'd probably see overloads or people with pace constantly targeting that side.

 
I'd rather sell Matic for £5m less to Inter than the full £40m to Juventus, their whole behaviour in the Sandro debacle has annoyed me.
Why keep increasing the price? If he's not available, just tell us so we can move on.
Unless we're doing some kind of Matic-Sandro deal with Juve, I stand by my point.

 
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TomCFC85 said:
I'd rather sell Matic for £5m less to Inter than the full £40m to Juventus, their whole behaviour in the Sandro debacle has annoyed me.
Why keep increasing the price? If he's not available, just tell us so we can move on.
Unless we're doing some kind of Matic-Sandro deal with Juve, I stand by my point.
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They did. Their director's statement was clear, if I remember correctly where he said that Juve dont want to sell sandro unless the player wants to leave.

If RM were after Hazard, the club would do exactly all of this and more to keep him at Chelsea. 

We wanted one of Juve's best players and they did everything possible to keep him, absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

 
Alonso did a great job, but we still no doubt need a very good backup, or someone to replace Alonso like Sandro

 
TomCFC85 said:
I'd rather sell Matic for £5m less to Inter than the full £40m to Juventus, their whole behaviour in the Sandro debacle has annoyed me.
Why keep increasing the price? If he's not available, just tell us so we can move on.
Unless we're doing some kind of Matic-Sandro deal with Juve, I stand by my point.
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Don't get me wrong, I'd like it for him to come here but Juve has a revolving door in regards to their transfer policy. They'll never sell unless the player wants out

 
TomCFC85 said:
I'd rather sell Matic for £5m less to Inter than the full £40m to Juventus, their whole behaviour in the Sandro debacle has annoyed me.
Why keep increasing the price? If he's not available, just tell us so we can move on.
Unless we're doing some kind of Matic-Sandro deal with Juve, I stand by my point.
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that is actually a speculation from UK newspapers, I doubt it is true. Juve never put Sandro on the market and refused the offer at 60m. The position has always been that he was not on the market and any talks would be linked to the player asking for a transfer which he has not so far (it seems). They now have also offered him revised terms because after the surprising transfers of Bonucci and Alves it would really be a mess if we sold Sandro too.

Having said that if the price is 40m £ I also hope you sell him to Inter  :smile:

 
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