Antonio Rudiger

He came on as a 68th minute sub against Rennes, so that one wouldn't count as a start 🙂
Yeah i didn't notice that. :wink:

Rudigers clean sheets to Zoumas.....

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What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.

 
Or alternatively the board failed in slimming down a bloated squad creating selection issues for the Manager.
So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate

 
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So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate
There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.

 
What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.


So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate
Lampard made it pretty clear the direction he saw for the team, a lot of emphasis on utilising younger, accademy players. 

Was pretty obvious from early on that Rudiger in particular was out of favour with Lampard and it doesn't take a genius to work out we don't need 3 senior left backs in the squad. 

So over to senior management to slim down the squad size because you don't need 5 centre backs and 3 left backs. It was a failing to move on one of each from those positions. 

I would argue we have too many central midfielders too, especially as Lampard was making a path for Gilmore into the first team squad but we did allow Barkley and RLC to go out on loan so that wasn't as bad. 

Our squad is too big. That's not an objective opinion it's pretty much fact. Doesn't matter who the manager was/is, there is absolutely no way you can keep that size of a squad happy. 

The problem Lampard had is that he goal/vision whatever you want to call it was to entrust and promote younger players. So as soon as there are a couple of poor results senior players objections start to become a little bit louder and agents will start to be in the ear of certain people in and around the club.... It's just the way things are in football, 

To say Lampard "didn't know how to deal with senior players" is a frankly (no pun intended (well maybe a little intendeed)) a made up criticism on your part. 

 
There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.
Come on, you can't just believe reports you want to believe. It's all bo**ocks as far as we know. I mean yeah, it's obvious he wanted to move those players on for sure, but there's more too it than that, finding the right buyers was extremely difficult during the summer, hardly anyone but us was buying, especially the smaller clubs. 

 
There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.
So because he couldnt get rid of these players he decided to not manage them, ignore them, not talk to them. Not a very good indication of good manager or someone who knows how to deal with difficult situations.

 
Lampard made it pretty clear the direction he saw for the team, a lot of emphasis on utilising younger, accademy players. 

Was pretty obvious from early on that Rudiger in particular was out of favour with Lampard and it doesn't take a genius to work out we don't need 3 senior left backs in the squad. 

So over to senior management to slim down the squad size because you don't need 5 centre backs and 3 left backs. It was a failing to move on one of each from those positions. 

I would argue we have too many central midfielders too, especially as Lampard was making a path for Gilmore into the first team squad but we did allow Barkley and RLC to go out on loan so that wasn't as bad. 

Our squad is too big. That's not an objective opinion it's pretty much fact. Doesn't matter who the manager was/is, there is absolutely no way you can keep that size of a squad happy. 

The problem Lampard had is that he goal/vision whatever you want to call it was to entrust and promote younger players. So as soon as there are a couple of poor results senior players objections start to become a little bit louder and agents will start to be in the ear of certain people in and around the club.... It's just the way things are in football, 

To say Lampard "didn't know how to deal with senior players" is a frankly (no pun intended (well maybe a little intendeed)) a made up criticism on your part. 
Yes squad was bloated that doesnt mean you cant handle the palyers who are not playing better, he was suppose to be a great man manager thats is one of his supposed strenghts, I couldnt really see that and yes he absolutely didnt know how to manage the senior players, had he known how to I believe he would still be in a job now.

 
Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.

 
Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.
How did he "Banish" Giroud? Surely him not using Giroud, then integrating him back in to the team and getting him scoring actually proves he did know how to deal with senior players?

 
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Yes squad was bloated that doesnt mean you cant handle the palyers who are not playing better, he was suppose to be a great man manager thats is one of his supposed strenghts, I couldnt really see that and yes he absolutely didnt know how to manage the senior players, had he known how to I believe he would still be in a job now.


Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.
To be honest you just seem to be projecting a falsehood you want to be true. 

If he didn't know how to manage senior players then the example of Giroud last season wouldn't make sense. He turned to Giroud after the restart and and that decision was vindicated with good performances and goal return. 

If Lampard's man management of Giroud was that bad then how did he manage to get him to perform so well when called upon? 

Which players that were not regualr starters with Lampard did he not manage correctly? 

 
How did he "Banish" Giroud? Surely him not using Giroud, then integrating him back in to the team and getting him scoring actually proves he did know how to deal with senior players?


To be honest you just seem to be projecting a falsehood you want to be true. 

If he didn't know how to manage senior players then the example of Giroud last season wouldn't make sense. He turned to Giroud after the restart and and that decision was vindicated with good performances and goal return. 

If Lampard's man management of Giroud was that bad then how did he manage to get him to perform so well when called upon? 

Which players that were not regualr starters with Lampard did he not manage correctly? 
Lampard only played Giroud because he had no other choice after the covid break, if I remeber correctly Giroud would of left in January 2020 he was pushing for a move away because he wanted games and was just not getting a sniff had be brought in a replacement. I think he even mentioned in a interview he needs games for the Euros.

So he didnt "manage" Giroud well, it was out of need after covid break rather than anything else.

Managing Giroud well would have meant he didn't want to leave in January 2020

 
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Lampard only played Giroud because he had no other choice after the covid break, if I remeber correctly Giroud would of left in January 2020 he was pushing for a move away because he wanted games and was just not getting a sniff had be brought in a replacement. I think hh even mentioned in a interview he needs games for the Euros.

So he didnt "manage" Giroud well, it was out of need after covid break rather than anything else.
Tammy was tired, almost injured and what not, so he finally turned to Giroud. He was openly praising Giroud for his professionalism at the time.

What I don't get is why Zouma suddenly isn't close to play, I get that Rudiger can pass the ball better but Zouma has scored 3 goals so far...

 
Tammy was tired, almost injured and what not, so he finally turned to Giroud. He was openly praising Giroud for his professionalism at the time.

What I don't get is why Zouma suddenly isn't close to play, I get that Rudiger can pass the ball better but Zouma has scored 3 goals so far...
Hence playing him because he had no one else, if he had another striker i dont think he would played him unless it was an emergency. 

I would say Giroud should have played more games at the start of the 19/20 season.

 
So because he couldnt get rid of these players he decided to not manage them, ignore them, not talk to them. Not a very good indication of good manager or someone who knows how to deal with difficult situations.


Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.
And you know these two things to be fact exactly how?  Are you really an insider, one of the club's higher echelon staff?  Board member, perhaps?  Senior coaching staff?  I don't think so.

I think you are just making up bo**ocks to suit your very limited agenda, and it'[s getting a bit boring now.  You and the other f**kwits got what you wanted, got the manager sacked and so now you gotta let it go.

You're sounding a bit like all those brexit bigots who "won" their great victory and now keep on fighting the same xenophobic arguments over and over again, refusing to own the debacle that it is.

 
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