Antonio Rudiger

[ForeverCarefree]

Shifting the topic back to Rudiger, I really like him in a back 3 especially when we have Alonso playing LWB because Rudigers pace brings a little balance on the left and even if he commits a brainfart covering Alonso we have 2 CB's to provide protection.

Problem you've got, is similar to when Cahill used to play there, he prefers to pass using his right foot so any sort of pressure on him and he's going to want to come in side or go backwards. We really would benefit from a two footed or left footed centre back. 

One of our biggest short fallings is the lack of quality all of the current crop of centre backs have when it comes to distribution. Rudiger tries to ping one diagonally from time to time but for the most part he and the others 9 times out of 10 play very safe short passes into feet. 

I do think we need to look at signing a top quality centre back who is capable of range of passing or has the confidence/ability to carry out the ball from the back. 

 

[Imran_CFC]

Problem you've got, is similar to when Cahill used to play there, he prefers to pass using his right foot so any sort of pressure on him and he's going to want to come in side or go backwards. We really would benefit from a two footed or left footed centre back. 

One of our biggest short fallings is the lack of quality all of the current crop of centre backs have when it comes to distribution. Rudiger tries to ping one diagonally from time to time but for the most part he and the others 9 times out of 10 play very safe short passes into feet. 

I do think we need to look at signing a top quality centre back who is capable of range of passing or has the confidence/ability to carry out the ball from the back. 

Yes agree with the point however my statement was more focused on would I prefer him to play in a back 4 or 3 and with Rudiger I would much rather have him play in a back 3 then a back 4. My mind was made up when Rudiger and Christensen were made to look like clowns against West Ham last season.

The distribution point is ever so important in modern football but purely from a defensive standpoint he looks a lot better in a back 3, the alternative currently would be Christensen as his distribution especially the short passes is leagues ahead of Rudiger but I would certainly not like to see him anywhere other then the Central CB in a back 3. 

 

[bisright1]

I wasn’t saying the 3 players I’ve mentioned have fallen out with Frank and caused tension etc. I think Lampard’s relationship with the board have deteriorated when he couldn’t trim the squad down as he’d have liked.

I wish he’d got it his way, Alonso, Rudiger and Jorginho gone by now would be brilliant.

Of course it’s not gospel from the journalists but I find that one reasonable and makes sense. Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger haven’t really played much this season for Frank.

I don't really see the issue if those players made a complaint. 

In any well run company in the world, if performances dive in a team, then the senior members of that team will be able to communicate what is going well and isn't. 

These players are senior members of the squad, they will have been in successful and failing teams. I want them to be able to communicate what is working and isn't.

Think about your own job, if you think your manager is making bad decisions, not running the team effectively. Then you will complain, you will talk to a member of HR. That doesn't make you a snake. 

Even further, a manager can't just hire and fire at will. I can see why the board they'd be resistant in chopping all the experience from the squad.

 

[dansubrosa]

I don't really see the issue if those players made a complaint. 

In any well run company in the world, if performances dive in a team, then the senior members of that team will be able to communicate what is going well and isn't. 

These players are senior members of the squad, they will have been in successful and failing teams. I want them to be able to communicate what is working and isn't.

Think about your own job, if you think your manager is making bad decisions, not running the team effectively. Then you will complain, you will talk to a member of HR. That doesn't make you a snake. 

Even further, a manager can't just hire and fire at will. I can see why the board they'd be resistant in chopping all the experience from the squad.

Yeah, you’ve made a fair point. I suppose the board think it’s too risky to get rid of a lot of experience.

 

[All Barco no bite]

What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.

You guys are so in your bloody feels with lampard f**k me

He's a limited manager who has limited range it's hard to accept but it is what it is and even with that I wanted him to continue to see if he could turn it around obviously the board didn't think he could and he got sack the genius IQ, brilliant managerial mindno great man management  didn't shine through when it matters so......

It’s comments like this that make me laugh when a lot of the foreign supporters claim to be as loyal and die hard fans as the uk fan base that attend games. They’ll never truly get what it meant to have a legend like Lamps leading the team out and can’t even show him respect now he’s gone.

 

[Slojo]

But you were one of the most vociferous in here about getting rid of the manager.

How does that contradict anything that I said there? I literally said the manager is at fault. 

I've already added more than enough on why I think sacking Lampard was the right decision, I'm not going back over it again. 

 

[Brutos]

It’s comments like this that make me laugh when a lot of the foreign supporters claim to be as loyal and die hard fans as the uk fan base that attend games. They’ll never truly get what it meant to have a legend like Lamps leading the team out and can’t even show him respect now he’s gone.

I am live in the UK You know Rule Britania

I have been supporting Chelsea before Lampard was a  Chelsea player.

My view of Lampard as player has no bearing on Lampard as a manager, one is world class the other is not.

And even if I was living abroad what does being a international fan have to do with anything

 

[All Barco no bite]

I am live in the UK You know Rule Britania

I have been supporting Chelsea before Lampard was a  Chelsea player.

My view of Lampard as player has no bearing on Lampard as a manager, one is world class the other is not.

And even if I was living abroad what does being a international fan have to do with anything

‘I am live in the UK’ yeah sure buddy.

do you understand what xenophobia actually is or are you just using big words to look smart? Surprised you’ve not chucked the racist card out there too. Saying foreign fans don’t have the same connection to a club as actual match going fans isn’t you absolutely numpty.

 

[Slojo]

‘I am live in the UK’ yeah sure buddy.

do you understand what xenophobia actually is or are you just using big words to look smart? Surprised you’ve not chucked the racist card out there too. Saying foreign fans don’t have the same connection to a club as actual match going fans isn’t you absolutely numpty.

Tbf I don't think Brutos is lying about living in the UK are being from there. 

 

[Brutos]

‘I am live in the UK’ yeah sure buddy.

do you understand what xenophobia actually is or are you just using big words to look smart? Surprised you’ve not chucked the racist card out there too. Saying foreign fans don’t have the same connection to a club as actual match going fans isn’t you absolutely numpty.

LOL did i hurt your feelings...if i did f**k your feelings dick head.

 

[Brutos]

Tbf I don't think Brutos is lying about living in the UK are being from there. 

Mate dont even bother why would lie about living in the UK.

Worst thing about this my uncle use to live on Britannia Road and he was Spurs fan LOL

I use to take the piss out of him each time I go visit him having Stamford Bridge right at his front door.

 

[Slojo]

Mate dont even bother why would lie about living in the UK.

Worst thing about this my uncle use to live on Britannia Road and he was Spurs fan LOL

I use to take the piss out of him each time I go visit him having Stamford Bridge right at his front door.

Yeah I don't think you're a foreign fan, I was never under that impression. 

In all fairness I can see @RIP Mourinho's point to an extent, not towards you though, I think you're Chelsea through and through, we don't all have to have the same opinions. When it comes to foreign fans though, have you ever browsed a Chelsea facebook post and read the comments? You see people saying "I'm no longer a Chelsea fan" and they're all from outside of the UK saying it. People who've lived by Chelsea locally and went to the games, they'll never say things like that, it's insulting quite frankly. 

And I'll admit the commercialisation of the game is killing me, I no longer feel compelled to go to games all the time just for the sake of supporting my club. I think big businesses know football fans are mug consumers and exploit our loyalty. But again, RIPMourinho has a point when it comes to those types of "fans" online, but I very rarely see those types of fans on here, and you definitely aren't one at all. 

 

[Brutos]

Yeah I don't think you're a foreign fan, I was never under that impression. 

In all fairness I can see @RIP Mourinho's point to an extent, not towards you though, I think you're Chelsea through and through, we don't all have to have the same opinions. When it comes to foreign fans though, have you ever browsed a Chelsea facebook post and read the comments? You see people saying "I'm no longer a Chelsea fan" and they're all from outside of the UK saying it. People who've lived by Chelsea locally and went to the games, they'll never say things like that, it's insulting quite frankly. 

And I'll admit the commercialisation of the game is killing me, I no longer feel compelled to go to games all the time just for the sake of supporting my club. I think big businesses know football fans are mug consumers and exploit our loyalty. But again, RIPMourinho has a point when it comes to those types of "fans" online, but I very rarely see those types of fans on here, and you definitely aren't one at all. 

Never disputed the point about fake international fans, however just because I disagrees with you on Lampard as a manager doesn't mean I am an international or fake fan or you start calling me names which I see gets directed at me more frequently now.

It's like having Lampard made some fans just lose all critical thinking.

Lampard didn't make me support Chelsea so I am a Chelsea fan first before any player, club before player that doesn't mean Lampard is one of my favourite players of all time. The amount of joy Lampard gave me to stick two fingers up to Spurs and Arsenal fans after the sh*t I got growing up.

If you know London, I grew up in Hackney went to school in Tottenham and I support Chelsea can you imagine the sh*t I had to put with at school when Arsenal were on top and becoming the invincible and winning. This is why I hate Arsenal more than any other team.

I had Highbury at one end and whitehart Lane at the other end.

So just because I disagree with you on Lampard the manager doesn't take away the bond I have for Lampard the player.

This is the distinction a lot fail to grasp.

 

[strider6004]

If you know London, I grew up in Hackney went to school in Tottenham and I support Chelsea can you imagine the sh*t I had to put with at school when Arsenal were on top and becoming the invincible and winning. This is why I hate Arsenal more than any other team.

I had Highbury at one end and whitehart Lane at the other end.

So just because I disagree with you on Lampard the manager doesn't take away the bond I have for Lampard the player.

This is the distinction a lot fail to grasp.

That is interesting, Arsenal used to be so arrogant and Spurs fans were nasty.

What happened to turn you over to the Blues?

 

[evissy]

Sorry to be a fake foreign fan. The integrity of this fine forum is tainted and it can't be purified... 

 

[Valerie]

Sorry to be a fake foreign fan. The integrity of this fine forum is tainted and it can't be purified... 

We spoil it, you and I. I feel as awful and guilty as you.

 

[Slojo]

We spoil it, you and I. I feel as awful and guilty as you.

Just came here to confirm, you especially are terrible!!! 

 

[Brutos]

That is interesting, Arsenal used to be so arrogant and Spurs fans were nasty.

What happened to turn you over to the Blues?

I never gravitated to any of Spurs or Arsenal I didn't like them I didn't get a connection to them as I did with Chelsea.
All but one of my family are Spurs, Arsenal or Liverpool fans, the one that isn't is a blues like me.
My favourite colour is also blue from a young age, so I naturally got attracted to Chelsea and never looked back.
I develop very thick skin dealing with all the Arsenal fans, especially with the sheer arrogance they had at the time, now they have to stay in their lane.
So that's my stomping ground east London(Hackney, Dalston) north London(Tottenham, Finsbury Park, Islington, even further north,  Enfield, wood green Palmers Green). These areas are all Tottenham or Arsenal; this is where I spent almost all of my childhood.

 

[PloKoon13]

I would like to praise you all for your restraint and express my surprise that this thread is not filled with vitriol.

On a hypocritical note, that was a legitimately horrific performance which surely has other Chelsea fans in addition to me double checking whether or not Guéhi is left-footed.

 

[Ballack & Blu]

I would like to praise you all for your restraint and express my surprise that this thread is not filled with vitriol.

On a hypocritical note, that was a legitimately horrific performance which surely has other Chelsea fans in addition to me double checking whether or not Guéhi is left-footed.

But on the other hand some of his last ditch tackles were superb, so he gets a 7/10, thats not to counter is Junior school style handling of their goal