Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT

Scoreline was kind to us, should have been a lot more. Given how poor we have been this season, it's just not possible to win when we are playing a game with the next game in mind. A lot of changes, players clearly distracted and not putting in 100%, and clear lack of urgency even when we got that first goal. The lack of pressing was alarming, matched by the number of times we lost possession out of almost nothing. The second goal said it all, 3 players  within 10 yards of each other and still couldn't pass or run the ball out.  If we somehow manages to pull off a miracle on Tuesday, all these are worth it. If not, at least get us out of our misery, and we play the remaining games with no pressure ( still need to get a few points to go above 40) and just for fun

 
"An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."  
This team was a herd of sheep which was lead by a lion(Tuchel) who performed a miracle and won CL making them lions. New owners kicked the main lion(Tuchel) and allowed to lead a team of lions by a sheep (Potter) who transformed them to a team of sheep. Now it's a team of sheep with no leader.
My point is simple: We need a good coach.  A proper one. An experienced one. A hungry one.A lion. A winner.
Then and only then a balance in a Chelsea Universe will be restored.
 
 


 
"An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."  
This team was a herd of sheep which was lead by a lion(Tuchel) who performed a miracle and won CL making them lions. New owners kicked the main lion(Tuchel) and allowed to lead a team of lions by a sheep (Potter) who transformed them to a team of sheep. Now it's a team of sheep with no leader.
My point is simple: We need a good coach.  A proper one. An experienced one. A hungry one.A lion. A winner.
Then and only then a balance in a Chelsea Universe will be restored.
 
 


Really you think with a good coach will be be tter?

 
That was atrocious. We’re just wasting time. Thank Frank for his contribution. If Nagelsmann wants to wait till the summer to consider his options, then tell him it’s too late. Appoint Enrique instead. Have a new manager in place for the remaining games to assess the squad and begin implementing his philosophy. Have the manager in place BEFORE the Summer transfer window so all decisions are made in consultation and while the new manager works with the core players he wants to keep. Use the rest of the season as a kind of pre-preseason. Enough of this nonsense. 

 
That really was the worst I've ever seen Chelsea as a team. 

someone else said we need some muscle in midfield, up front and that is for sure true. Some character as well. 

On the positive side Mudryck has real potential. He will  be a difference maker when we eventually get set up.

Also thought  Kepa, Fofana (mostly), gallagher, enzo (mostly) and James and chiller (occasionally) looked like chelsea players.

Cheezthat was a shocker.

 
Well... TBH I have to say congrats to Barcabrighton, they were stunningly good against shambolic opposition. We had no plan to handle their possession game other than run around and try and get near them. Worked a treat Frank, nice one. I honestly don't see a solution at the moment, I reckon if Boehly bought Brighton whole, renamed the club to Chelsea, it'd still be a sh*tshow within 6 months. I'm not blaming Boelhy to be clear, he has spent a massive amount of money on the suggestions of others (they are the culprits). They say the ladder doesn't lie, but I disagree, we are far worse than 11th. On the upside i didn't have to eat any ones Granny out.. (see my last post)...

 
8 hours ago, JJ8 said:


Yes, i do believe we will be better with a proper coach regardless if owners saying stupid things. Owners want to be successful with this club otherwise wouldn't have spent. Its a rough start for them but they will get there.

 
That game looked like a group of players on 30k per week trying to show they’re worth a pay raise vs a bunch of overpaid players, with no motivation, running down their contracts knowing they’re set for life. 

 
"An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."  
This team was a herd of sheep which was lead by a lion(Tuchel) who performed a miracle and won CL making them lions. New owners kicked the main lion(Tuchel) and allowed to lead a team of lions by a sheep (Potter) who transformed them to a team of sheep. Now it's a team of sheep with no leader.
My point is simple: We need a good coach.  A proper one. An experienced one. A hungry one.A lion. A winner.
Then and only then a balance in a Chelsea Universe will be restored.
 
 
Those of us that have been watching Chelsea for over 50 years know that there is no such thing as balance. It’s a roller coaster ride! 

 
Where to f***ing start ?????

I have been watching Chelsea home and sometimes away for more than 50 years and can honestly say that performance was up there - in the top ten WORST I have seen. To think that is was at home and that we were outplayed, outclassed, out thought, out fought and had so little passion that a mediocre mid table club like Brighton won their first ever game at the Bridge, does not do justice to just how bad we have become.

In the "old days" of the late 70's, 80's and early 90's were just simply sh*t. We had no money, were in danger of going skint, no decent players, no academy, and the Managers (John Neal & Eddie Mac apart) were just as bad as the players, so there was an excuse. Now, we have become the laughing stock of World Football !! Bought for Billions, Spent a further half a Billion in 10 months, got rid of a Proven a very good coach, because the new owners didn't like him, and appointed a shockingly poor replacement, and now a Club Legend who couldn't manage a decent Sunday pub side.

The real shock for me was the Stats from yesterday.

Shots on target Chelsea 2 Brighton 10, Shots off target Chelsea 2 Brighton 10, Blocked shots Chelsea 1 Brighton 6, Possession (%) Chelsea 41 Brighton 59, Corner kicks Chelsea 2 Brighton 8, Goalkeeper saves Chelsea 8 Brighton 1 (f**king one !!!)

Back to my Soapbox and my constant gripe on this site; This just goes to show, that we are lacking leadership, ON & OFF the pitch. At the top we had it in Bates before Roman, Marina, Buck, Kenyon and Purslow.  Managers,  Hoddle, Vialli, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Conte, Sarri and Tuchel. and Skippers/leaders in Harris, Pates, Wise, Terry, Cahill and (just about) Dave.  NOW? NOTHING !!! Unless we put this right at all levels of the Club quickly, we will continue our slide down the snake of World football.

 
The Kepa saves was straight at him, I know the standards are low at Chelsea but they was normal saves you would expect any keeper to make.
He's even more protected than Torres was which i never thought was possible.

 
Those of us that have been watching Chelsea for over 50 years know that there is no such thing as balance. It’s a roller coaster ride! 
True. It is a roller coaster ride, but the balance was there. At least 25-30 years we were regularly winning some silverware, getting to cup finals and beating bottom/mid-table teams effortlessly. That's what I call a balance. You can have hiccups here and there but some level still needs to be maintained. Right now we are relegation level team which cannot beat anybody. Being outplayed by Fulham, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Aston Villa etc. is due to coaching and motifaction. There is no way all those teams have overall better quality players than we do. We need to get the right coach which can motivate and best out of those players in a proper tactical shape.

 
True. It is a roller coaster ride, but the balance was there. At least 25-30 years we were regularly winning some silverware, getting to cup finals and beating bottom/mid-table teams effortlessly. That's what I call a balance. You can have hiccups here and there but some level still needs to be maintained. Right now we are relegation level team which cannot beat anybody. Being outplayed by Fulham, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Aston Villa etc. is due to coaching and motifaction. There is no way all those teams have overall better quality players than we do. We need to get the right coach which can motivate and best out of those players in a proper tactical shape.
Yeah but it’s partly muscle and character on the park and particularly in the middle

 
Don’t know if this has already been posted.

Frank Lampard on the lack of performance yesterday.

'At the moment, more than defeats, it’s performance that we need to talk about,' explained Lampard.

'Wins only come with performance and in terms of performance that was the most disappointing one because we were well beaten.

It’s a very good Brighton team and we must give them some credit because they can perform like that pretty much against anyone in the league, but we were short.

We were a yard short, a tackle short, a fighting duel moment short and that’s not right.

You’re not going to win games like that. You have to have the capacity to do that as well as the desire and at the moment we’re falling short. We need to turn that around quickly.

'The only thing that matters now is the reaction to the end of the season, to try and get improvement.

People will talk about three losses but I’m thinking about performance and then wins will come.

Today the performance wasn’t worthy of a win.

'It’s for me to try to get to the bottom of quickly and change it. There are things in a performance that are a must for Chelsea at Stamford Bridge against a team like Brighton who can play.

That is sprints, recovery runs, getting up to people and recovering and then when you get the ball sticking to the ideas that you want to stick to.

We came away from that today and the capacity wasn’t there. It’s my job to get as much improvement as I can, but from that performance today we certainly have work to do.'


Lampard highlighted the physical side of the game as an area where we need to improve fast...


'To be a top team or to have ambitions to be a top team there’s no doubt that you need to be towards the top of the physical numbers in the league and we have to aspire to do that. That’s an individual thing and a collective thing.

'A collective strong group only comes through the individuals within it.

That’s been the history of this club for 20 years. For whatever reason there can probably be some mitigating factors at the moment with some of the change but it can’t be an excuse, it just has to be a factor to fight through to get to where you want to be.

'I’m not going to dress today’s performance up and I don’t think the players would want me to. I can see that there’s talent in this group, but this is the Premier League so you have to have the extra bits but we were short of those today.'


He also reacted to the fact both goals we conceded against Brighton came after losing possession in our own half...


'If you’re going to turn over the ball then teams that are good in transition, especially in your own half, are going to punish you for that. Turning over the ball is a hard one for a coach because no-one means to lose the ball, but if you make mistakes like that you get punished.'

 
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Don’t know if this has already been posted.

Frank Lampard on the lack of performance yesterday.

'At the moment, more than defeats, it’s performance that we need to talk about,' explained Lampard.

'Wins only come with performance and in terms of performance that was the most disappointing one because we were well beaten.

It’s a very good Brighton team and we must give them some credit because they can perform like that pretty much against anyone in the league, but we were short.

We were a yard short, a tackle short, a fighting duel moment short and that’s not right.

You’re not going to win games like that. You have to have the capacity to do that as well as the desire and at the moment we’re falling short. We need to turn that around quickly.

'The only thing that matters now is the reaction to the end of the season, to try and get improvement.

People will talk about three losses but I’m thinking about performance and then wins will come.

Today the performance wasn’t worthy of a win.

'It’s for me to try to get to the bottom of quickly and change it. There are things in a performance that are a must for Chelsea at Stamford Bridge against a team like Brighton who can play.

That is sprints, recovery runs, getting up to people and recovering and then when you get the ball sticking to the ideas that you want to stick to.

We came away from that today and the capacity wasn’t there. It’s my job to get as much improvement as I can, but from that performance today we certainly have work to do.'


Lampard highlighted the physical side of the game as an area where we need to improve fast...


'To be a top team or to have ambitions to be a top team there’s no doubt that you need to be towards the top of the physical numbers in the league and we have to aspire to do that. That’s an individual thing and a collective thing.

'A collective strong group only comes through the individuals within it.

That’s been the history of this club for 20 years. For whatever reason there can probably be some mitigating factors at the moment with some of the change but it can’t be an excuse, it just has to be a factor to fight through to get to where you want to be.

'I’m not going to dress today’s performance up and I don’t think the players would want me to. I can see that there’s talent in this group, but this is the Premier League so you have to have the extra bits but we were short of those today.'


He also reacted to the fact both goals we conceded against Brighton came after losing possession in our own half...


'If you’re going to turn over the ball then teams that are good in transition, especially in your own half, are going to punish you for that. Turning over the ball is a hard one for a coach because no-one means to lose the ball, but if you make mistakes like that you get punished.'
This is bang and exactly what I want to hear or read from a manager after the dismal showing from this team throughout this season.

It's not even down to the manager to rectify this but it is his duty as the head of the management team to ensure that all players come fully equipped physically and tactically in order for the day's strategy including changes can be implemented. 

Whether it is Potter, Lampard or Enrique, these are the representatives of their backroom. We need to ensure these players can run, fight and battle for 99 minutes every game, regardless of who the manager is.

 
This is bang and exactly what I want to hear or read from a manager after the dismal showing from this team throughout this season.

It's not even down to the manager to rectify this but it is his duty as the head of the management team to ensure that all players come fully equipped physically and tactically in order for the day's strategy including changes can be implemented. 

Whether it is Potter, Lampard or Enrique, these are the representatives of their backroom. We need to ensure these players can run, fight and battle for 99 minutes every game, regardless of who the manager is.
Totally agree with you.

 
Kepa had a rare very good game  but I think the praise being shown for Mudryk really emphasises how utterly awful we were all over the pitch. He was probably the best of the outfield players but that's like saying the Lada is the best of the Russian cars.  Got the ball a bit, ran a bit, that's about it.  Felix has been heavily criticised for performances like that, and often better ones.

 
Don’t know if this has already been posted.

Frank Lampard on the lack of performance yesterday.

'At the moment, more than defeats, it’s performance that we need to talk about,' explained Lampard.

'Wins only come with performance and in terms of performance that was the most disappointing one because we were well beaten.

It’s a very good Brighton team and we must give them some credit because they can perform like that pretty much against anyone in the league, but we were short.

We were a yard short, a tackle short, a fighting duel moment short and that’s not right.

You’re not going to win games like that. You have to have the capacity to do that as well as the desire and at the moment we’re falling short. We need to turn that around quickly.

'The only thing that matters now is the reaction to the end of the season, to try and get improvement.

People will talk about three losses but I’m thinking about performance and then wins will come.

Today the performance wasn’t worthy of a win.

'It’s for me to try to get to the bottom of quickly and change it. There are things in a performance that are a must for Chelsea at Stamford Bridge against a team like Brighton who can play.

That is sprints, recovery runs, getting up to people and recovering and then when you get the ball sticking to the ideas that you want to stick to.

We came away from that today and the capacity wasn’t there. It’s my job to get as much improvement as I can, but from that performance today we certainly have work to do.'


Lampard highlighted the physical side of the game as an area where we need to improve fast...


'To be a top team or to have ambitions to be a top team there’s no doubt that you need to be towards the top of the physical numbers in the league and we have to aspire to do that. That’s an individual thing and a collective thing.

'A collective strong group only comes through the individuals within it.

That’s been the history of this club for 20 years. For whatever reason there can probably be some mitigating factors at the moment with some of the change but it can’t be an excuse, it just has to be a factor to fight through to get to where you want to be.

'I’m not going to dress today’s performance up and I don’t think the players would want me to. I can see that there’s talent in this group, but this is the Premier League so you have to have the extra bits but we were short of those today.'


He also reacted to the fact both goals we conceded against Brighton came after losing possession in our own half...


'If you’re going to turn over the ball then teams that are good in transition, especially in your own half, are going to punish you for that. Turning over the ball is a hard one for a coach because no-one means to lose the ball, but if you make mistakes like that you get punished.'
Nice words and it is hard to disagree with Frank, but he has had three games now, yet we still perform like that ??? What the hell is going on at the training ground, if despite the eloquent words, we still perform that badly ??

 
Brighton are a MUCH better team than us BECAUSE of Graham Potter. When Boehly bought him in it was a very sensible decision because they looked at what he had done at Brighton, not just results on the pitch.

The problem with that was that Potters approach took a lot of time, everything was data based. It is reckoned that football is getting much more data driven, and due to Potter, Brighton are 2 – 3 years ahead of everyone else, It shows on the pitch now. His approach was working very well, and season on season improving. However, we will never know how far he could have gone with them, because we stepped in. De Zerbi is reaping the reward of Potters work, he is much more on field tactically astute than Potter ever was, hence the massive improvement this season. He’s improved the bits Potter never noticed.

You have to have a long-term goal, and a short-term goal. Brightons when Potter went in was, long term, European football, Premiership titles (perhaps). Short term Premiership survival. As long as you are showing progression towards the long term, and covering the short term, then great carry on.

At Chelsea he was starting further along the pathway, than at Brighton without the experience of building up to it. What are our long term goals, I suspect to stay at elite levels. European football at the very least. And build a sustainable root and branch rebuild of the club.  Short term actually probably the same, for financial reasons, stay at Elite level.

Compound his problems of building his data driven team, by throwing a squad, twice the size of any he’d previously worked with. Result total confusion. He’d always worked with younger more compliant players, more open to new approaches Not our overpaid prime donnas. He identified players to buy, to fit in with his plans, and the Brighton board backed him fully. At Chelsea he gets thrown the supposed best young talent around, (because we’re all mighty, and we will have the best yank approach), regardless of whether they actually will fit in any way, and expected him to work it out, despite totally bugg&^*$g up his data plans.

Unfortunately, his on pitch tactics, were very confusing, and all the time he was here, he never settled on his starting 11. Due to constant team and formation changes. No rhythm could be built up, occasionally we had very good spells of play, and I thought great he’s finally learnt something. Only to have the next game completely altered again, disregarding what had worked well. Too much tinkering. Had the short term goal been the same as Brightons was, things could have progressed, but with European football NEEDED, it couldn’t go on. He had to go. But since relegation was almost certainly not on the horizon, it should have been at the end of season. But that causes all sorts of problems with a dead man walking.

Pull the trigger too quick, (another common American problem). Fans up in arms, so to appease them bring in Frank.

When he started his managerial career, he was given a lot of leeway, due to the transfer embargo, forced to use younger more impressionable players. We played with a freedom, that resulted in lots of goals. Defensively we were poor, but as long as we outscored our opponents then it wasn’t really a problem. We were going on very nicely. Then someone figured out how to stop us in our tracks. That meant a change of tactics were needed, and that was always Franks Achilles heel. It was always plan A is failing, switch players and continue on with Plan A. Tactically he was and still is naïve, he cannot see the whole and figure out how to change it.

None of the players will play for him as an interim, because to them he is meaningless. The only incentive is, IF they want a future at Chelsea, they NEED to show they deserve it. But without the next manager overseeing things, this is very difficult. Perhaps the new manager as some sort of consultant sporting director, to the end of the season, to see what he needs to change etc when he takes over.

However things go, I suspect if we survive FFP problems, it will be MANY years until we are again an elite club, With the players available, and the right coach, we should be able to get back into European football pretty quickly, but true contenders, I can’t see for some time. Attracting the top players, and the FFP constraints, will make recruitment very difficult. As to shifting the deadwood, we might as well give them away, as selling at a reasonable price will be nearly impossible. Who will want to pay the inflated wages, let alone actually pay for the privilege.

The bottom line is the club has had problems for years, but managed to maintain things. Then came the Ukraine war. We were well f*&^ed by our government. Roman could have been frozen out, with the club allowed to continue trading as normal, pending a sale. Safe in the knowledge that Roman was nowhere near the money.

The squad would have been the same because contracts could have been renegotiated. Clearlake would still cause problems, but with the spine of the team still there, on field we would still have been able to perform better that we have.

 
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