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Chelsea v Manchester City, (pre-season), Sat 3rd Aug 24, 2245 GMT

Just watched the game ,not sure where to start but am sitting here trying to compute  what the fek that was .Can someone enlighten me please

cos im not sure I understand the process .

 
What was I thinking predicting 1-1 for this match...when will I ever learn. Sometimes I'm just as stubborn as every new Chelsea manager insisting on to playing from the back.

 
I keep watching in the hope some miracle would of happened . The truth is nothing has changed were a shambles   no main striker no midfield general no commanding central defender.  no Top keeper , so no matter what tactics are played nothing is going to change as the longer it goes on the players will continue to go through the motions  collect the wage and enjoy London life going to be another very long season

 
There are issues about playing out from the back and frustratingly some players appear way off in their progression through pre season.

There are also some positives so far, in that Lavia and Nkunku look like they can add value if they stay fit.

The biggest issue for me so far is that Maresca has openly stated that he wants Swiss army knife players, capable of adapting and being versatile in numerous positions. So far, with the experiments that Maresca has done this has actually shown up the limitations of these players, how unsuited they are in just slightly different roles. Mudryk can't play on the right, Colwill's not a LB  Gusto is wasted as an overlapping LB, Nkunku is wasted as a 9, James struggles when inverting, Sanchez is a liability with the ball at his feet, Enzo offers very little in an advanced role etc. All of these comments have been made during this pre season. 

It's a bit of irony that our SD's may have targeted a manager whose philosophy and style actually highlights the limitations in the players that these directors have generally paid over the odds for.

 
The manager needs to realise these inverted fullbacks don't work, concentrate on letting the defenders defend and the fullbacks pushing on.

i'd like to see Jackson given a chance to play at LW, when we played at City last season his pace gave Walker problems

 
The other thing that Maresca will have to realise very quickly is that there is a massive difference in the standards of forward lines in the Championship and the PL. You make 3 defensive slip ups with a Lyndon Dykes or a Grady Diangana opposite you and they might score a goal creating a bit of an uphill task for the team.

Do the same against a Brentford or a Bournemouth even and Wissa, Toney, Solanke, these guys are getting 2 or 3 goals from these same chances and that's game over. It's not just that mistakes will be made and will be punished, it's that whole matches will be written off due to our own mistakes 

 
WhiteWall said:
The other thing that Maresca will have to realise very quickly is that there is a massive difference in the standards of forward lines in the Championship and the PL. You make 3 defensive slip ups with a Lyndon Dykes or a Grady Diangana opposite you and they might score a goal creating a bit of an uphill task for the team.

Do the same against a Brentford or a Bournemouth even and Wissa, Toney, Solanke, these guys are getting 2 or 3 goals from these same chances and that's game over. It's not just that mistakes will be made and will be punished, it's that whole matches will be written off due to our own mistakes 
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Do you honestly think the bloke has got to this point in his life without realising PL forwards are better than championship forwards?

Whether you like it or not, implementing a style of play where we look to confidently play through a press isn’t going to be achieved in 4 pre season games and some training sessions.

Maresca will know full well that we are going to get punished, I think he even said so after the Wrexham game. But no one has ever achieved anything when giving up at the first point of resistance. So when we concede goals at the start of the league campaign because we’ve miss placed a pass, it isn’t going to be because he doesn’t realise that the prem players are good. It’s going to be because he expects our players to learn from the early mistakes they make.

 
Niall1905 said:
Whether you like it or not, implementing a style of play where we look to confidently play through a press isn’t going to be achieved in 4 pre season games and some training sessions.
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We scored 4 against them in one game last season, playing through their press wasn't a problem. Not only that, none of their goals came from us giving it away right in front of our goal.

I feel like people assess things in a vacuum too much. We went toe to toe with City three times last season. Last night was a massive step backwards no matter how you look at it.

 
We don't need to invert a f**king fullback, just becausae its the new hipster thing to do. Just have a balanced midfield for christ sake.

 
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Conceding two goals in the first 5 mins. Well that is a bit of a fluke. That is seriously unlucky. That is not going to happen too often no matter how bad you play. AND it was a good lesson for our defenders to lurn. Very important lesson. Enzo's Chelsea - We understand that we are going to try to play it out from the back, we understand that, but even Peps Citeh know that you have to hit it long some time. Don't be so predictable playing it out from the back. Don't make it so easy for the opposition. IF I know that the Chelsea GK and defenders are never going to hit a long ball - no matter what - then i am going to press really high and totally own them.

Enzo imitates Pep. But he has to be his own man also and have some ideas of his own. Really need to know what Enzo has - if anything - that is going to make a difference.

 
All 4 of City's goals came as a result of one of our players misplacing a pass. Can either blame the pitch, sharpness, or lack of concentration, these are little things that need to be ironed out. I felt after that disaster of an experiment we saw in the 1st half, we looked much better and fluid once Guiu and Sterling came on and we played our regular football. This tweaking and obsession with versatility can only work once we actually have a settled system, which we don't. 

Need another ST.

 
Sconnie Blue said:
All 4 of City's goals came as a result of one of our players misplacing a pass. Can either blame the pitch, sharpness, or lack of concentration, these are little things that need to be ironed out. I felt after that disaster of an experiment we saw in the 1st half, we looked much better and fluid once Guiu and Sterling came on and we played our regular football. This tweaking and obsession with versatility can only work once we actually have a settled system, which we don't. 

Need another ST.
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Guardiola was asked about the errors made by Chelsea while trying to play out from the back and the City boss stated he thought the surface at Ohio Stadium was the cause, stating the goals would not have occurred at Stamford Bridge.

WE do need another striker- but Jackson would have helped us yesterday had he been available. Marc Guiu had one excellent chance when he came on - maybe Jackson would have scored that?  Enzo the younger had a shot that he really should have scored.  There were some turning points - not realised.

I think we are maybe not as bad as has been suggested.  I think that these pre-season games are character building for this team/squad.  We have some really fine players.

 
TheCeleryKing said:
Guardiola was asked about the errors made by Chelsea while trying to play out from the back and the City boss stated he thought the surface at Ohio Stadium was the cause, stating the goals would not have occurred at Stamford Bridge.

WE do need another striker- but Jackson would have helped us yesterday had he been available. Marc Guiu had one excellent chance when he came on - maybe Jackson would have scored that?  Enzo the younger had a shot that he really should have scored.  There were some turning points - not realised.

I think we are maybe not as bad as has been suggested.  I think that these pre-season games are character building for this team/squad.  We have some really fine players.
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We are playing a lot of football this season traveling all across Europe as well. Jackson who is at best a #2 striker and an 18 year old new to the Premier League, isn't enough. 

Last night was one of many instances why its an utter waste having Nkunku at ST. 

 
Niall1905 said:
Do you honestly think the bloke has got to this point in his life without realising PL forwards are better than championship forwards?

Whether you like it or not, implementing a style of play where we look to confidently play through a press isn’t going to be achieved in 4 pre season games and some training sessions.

Maresca will know full well that we are going to get punished, I think he even said so after the Wrexham game. But no one has ever achieved anything when giving up at the first point of resistance. So when we concede goals at the start of the league campaign because we’ve miss placed a pass, it isn’t going to be because he doesn’t realise that the prem players are good. It’s going to be because he expects our players to learn from the early mistakes they make.
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My point is not about whether they are good or whether they are better. My point is playing a style of football with a set of defenders incapable of doing I all well and good but prepared for there being no chance for improvement because we may stand a real chance of being out of games before they start.

Put it another way, do you honestly think that a 25 year old defender like Disasi who has been in the system for 15 years will suddenly learn how to play out with his feet under a press. You cannot do this if it takes three touches just to get the ball under control.

 
Sconnie Blue said:
We are playing a lot of football this season traveling all across Europe as well. Jackson who is at best a #2 striker and an 18 year old new to the Premier League, isn't enough. 

Last night was one of many instances why its an utter waste having Nkunku at ST. 
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Yup. Even the American commentator thought Nkunku was wasted upfront.

 
dermott said:
Yup. Even the American commentator thought Nkunku was wasted upfront.
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Don't get me wrong, I like Guiu but he has so much of his game that needs tailoring. He's a player I would play solely for League Cup/Conference League/Early FA Cup matches. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
We are playing a lot of football this season traveling all across Europe as well. Jackson who is at best a #2 striker and an 18 year old new to the Premier League, isn't enough. 

Last night was one of many instances why its an utter waste having Nkunku at ST. 
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Yep, i like Nkunku a lot and if he can stay fit this season then that is like a whole new signing for us. i thought at one point that he could play up top on his own - like a Jimmy Flyod Hasslebaink - but he is not that type of player and he cannot do it. I mean yes, he can do it, and he tried, but the whole false no.9 concept is a bit ridiculous.

Yep we need another striker. Remember the days when we had Vialli, Hughes, Zola and Flo. How can you play them all? Doesn't matter, over a season they will all be needed and it makes sense. Makes more sense now - because you are allowed 5 subs.

 
TheCeleryKing said:
Yep, i like Nkunku a lot and if he can stay fit this season then that is like a whole new signing for us. i thought at one point that he could play up top on his own - like a Jimmy Flyod Hasslebaink - but he is not that type of player and he cannot do it. I mean yes, he can do it, and he tried, but the whole false no.9 concept is a bit ridiculous.

Yep we need another striker. Remember the days when we had Vialli, Hughes, Zola and Flo. How can you play them all? Doesn't matter, over a season they will all be needed and it makes sense. Makes more sense now - because you are allowed 5 subs.
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I would still consider a move for Ivan Toney. His wages might be higher than other options but he is proven in the league and would provide some good experience alongside the youngsters.

 
Why is it that every time we change manager the players seem to get there brains  wiped as every new manager says the players have to learn how to to do this and that , The players have been in academy's since the age of 7,  and played for other teams around the globe  but for some reason only known to the Manager they have to learn how to break a press  because they have never been taught before  so is he saying the Directors have bought defenders who don't know how to break a press and we are in the sh*t till he teaches them 

 
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