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Argo said:
Well, a manager with one year experience and Willian as our best attacker did....

And I disagree we were playing decent, Spurs and West Ham gave some false hope but the last three games despite winning them was back to the same old crap.
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The league is way more competitive now then before these mid table teams have strengthened. I don't see us getting top 4 this season but we'll see at the end of the season I guess. 

 
Argo said:
Well, a manager with one year experience and Willian as our best attacker did....

And I disagree we were playing decent, Spurs and West Ham gave some false hope but the last three games despite winning them was back to the same old crap.
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Weren't we 4th in the league in terms of points gained in 2024?

I agree on the first point though, Frank got top 4 with a transfer ban and no Hazard.

The squad is of top 4 quality. Our form in the 2nd half of last season was top 4 quality despite our injuries. Anything less under Maresca is a failure. I don't care if he needs time. We've been patient for 3 years now. They spoke about a 4 window plan and now we're at the end of it. It's time to show up.

 
cfr95 said:
Weren't we 4th in the league in terms of points gained in 2024?

I agree on the first point though, Frank got top 4 with a transfer ban and no Hazard.

The squad is of top 4 quality. Our form in the 2nd half of last season was top 4 quality despite our injuries. Anything less under Maresca is a failure. I don't care if he needs time. We've been patient for 3 years now. They spoke about a 4 window plan and now we're at the end of it. It's time to show up.
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Think we were and I for one, would have been happy to stick with the Academy kids but the media kept on saying we had go outside and buy because they weren't good enough... stupid imho.

Probably wasn't great technically but you could see how much they all wanted to win when they got on the pitch. ::ChELSeAFaN::

 
Nibs said:
It's early days for Enzo. Given time, he might make those look like good results!
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And even if he turns out to be sh*t it won't make Poch less sh*t, just like Poch being sh*t didn't make Lampard 2.0 less of a disaster.

 
Argo said:
And even if he turns out to be sh*t it won't make Poch less sh*t, just like Poch being sh*t didn't make Lampard 2.0 less of a disaster.
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Ah, but there are varying degrees of sh*tness and although you clearly have Poch high up the list, some of us have him a bit further down. Only time will tell on our new shiny one.

 
Argo said:
Biggest ever defeat vs Arsenal

Cup final lost against kids

Nunez poor finishing saving us from potentially breaking the PL loss record
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Some of that is very out of context, The Arsenal loss came of the back of a really tough semifinal defeat, no palmer available and its clear the maturity of the squad was not ready to bounce back so easily, Its actually to his credit that he managed to right the ship after that and go on the run we did.

The cup final against kids is a redtop media fallacy. We started that game with a lower average age then by some way, Liverpool had Bradley, that was it. Elliott has 3 seasons of premier league football under his belt, everyone else was an experienced international. 

He wasn't perfect but we were going in the right direction. But we move on. I'll say this, someone at this club is either a complete geniuses and when it all comes together it will click in the most amazing way or almost criminal levels of incompetence ... right now it looks like the latter 

 
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Gordon Bennett said:
Enzo as a 10 doesn't work. His shooting is on a par with Gallagher.
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It's about Palmer, he is one of the best players in the league in that position, putting Enzo there is a wasted opportunity every single match, sure Palmer can still deliver from playing the inside-forward position as well but if Maresca watched what was the best from us last season, it has to be Palmer there as the number 10 centrally and I dare to say Madueke on the wing as well.

 
Gol15 said:
It's about Palmer, he is one of the best players in the league in that position, putting Enzo there is a wasted opportunity every single match, sure Palmer can still deliver from playing the inside-forward position as well but if Maresca watched what was the best from us last season, it has to be Palmer there as the number 10 centrally and I dare to say Madueke on the wing as well.
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Yes absolutely, or Nkunku, Chukwuemeka, even Jackson are much better at 10. 

Palmer was great at 10 although I thought his best was in a free role where he naturally took up an inside right position with Noni right wing.

 
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