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Remodez said:
You don’t loan out talent like this and quite frankly I wouldn’t trust us to secure him the right loan in the first place. Absolutely needs to stay in and around the team.
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Well said.. Under no circumstances do you loan either him or Paez out. You just have to move a couple of players on the fringes away to make space for them.

 
Has to stay with the team and get minutes in the cup and at the end of games we're comfortable in. 

More goals and assists than Neymar at the same age in Brazil. This is generational potential. 

 
Remodez said:
You don’t loan out talent like this and quite frankly I wouldn’t trust us to secure him the right loan in the first place. Absolutely needs to stay in and around the team.
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I feel it would be perfect for him to flourish in Ligue 1 at Strasbourg. I think at his age it would be best if he just played football.

 
evissy said:
I feel it would be perfect for him to flourish in Ligue 1 at Strasbourg. I think at his age it would be best if he just played football.
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He will. Right now he'd probably challenge Madueke for RW. 

Paez would probably be rotation for Palmer. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
He will. Right now he'd probably challenge Madueke for RW. 

Paez would probably be rotation for Palmer. 
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At Chelsea he is always in heavy rotation. At Strasbourg he is allowed to have bad games and still start. Young lads will have bad games. Inconsistency is the biggest trait of a young player/man.

 
evissy said:
At Chelsea he is always in heavy rotation. At Strasbourg he is allowed to have bad games and still start. Young lads will have bad games. Inconsistency is the biggest trait of a young player/man.
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You don’t pay that much for a player and loan him immediately. Top clubs don’t loan out quality youngsters anymore, they develop them in-house. Doesn’t matter anyway both Estevao & Paez were told at signing that they are joining the first team next summer. It’s a case of selling a couple and creating space for them.

 
Sconnie Blue said:
He will. Right now he'd probably challenge Madueke for RW. 

Paez would probably be rotation for Palmer. 
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I just doubt Noni will be here next year. 

We need to make room for him, I see Noni making way. 

Paez I think it's so unknown. I think he might benefit from a season on loan to Strasbourg. 

 
bisright1 said:
I just doubt Noni will be here next year. 

We need to make room for him, I see Noni making way. 

Paez I think it's so unknown. I think he might benefit from a season on loan to Strasbourg. 
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In the hypothetical we do qualify for the Champions League next season, we are going to need even more options than we do now. September to January we'd be playing 3 games a week. Even longer if we make it far in domestic cups. 

 Neto/Sancho   Nkunku/Felix       Palmer/Paez   Madueke/Estevao 

Enzo/Caicedo/Lavia/Santos

 
ducavis said:
You don’t pay that much for a player and loan him immediately. Top clubs don’t loan out quality youngsters anymore, they develop them in-house. Doesn’t matter anyway both Estevao & Paez were told at signing that they are joining the first team next summer. It’s a case of selling a couple and creating space for them.
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I'm sure it was reported we told Santos the same when we signed him. paid about the same for him as we did Paez, i certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him loaned out when he joins up. 

 
ducavis said:
You don’t pay that much for a player and loan him immediately. Top clubs don’t loan out quality youngsters anymore, they develop them in-house. Doesn’t matter anyway both Estevao & Paez were told at signing that they are joining the first team next summer. It’s a case of selling a couple and creating space for them.
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I made the same argument about Mudryk a couple of months in, and was told by many you don’t spend this type of money and loan him. His Chelsea career may just have been very different if he had secured a loan. Estevao and Paez both have to adapt to a completely different country and culture not to mention a much harder league. It’s impossible at this stage to guess how each will adapt, both are still extremely young, yes they are full internationals for their relative countries, reality is though international and club football might as well be a different game. As a footnote Vitor Roque was similarly lauded before he arrived at Barcelona, this season the decision has been taken to loan him to Betis, never say never.

 
Loans would be ideal for players who are struggling to find any place in the squad. 

As of now, Estevao competes with Madueke at RW and Paez becomes Palmer+Nkunku's understudy. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Loans would be ideal for players who are struggling to find any place in the squad. 

As of now, Estevao competes with Madueke at RW and Paez becomes Palmer+Nkunku's understudy. 
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Aye I don't think Estevao is the one that will find opportunities hard to come by.

Given he can play anywhere along the front line he could displace Neto or Sancho on the left, or Noni on the right. If he is as good as we hope he is, he likely will.

Paez on the other hand seems like he is more likely running in to Felix, Nkunku and, even worse for him, Cole Palmer.

This is assuming nobody other than Mudryk is moved on of course. If Nkunku stays fit and does not get a decent amount of play time I could see him wanting to go. At his stage of his career he needs to be playing often, these are his prime years.

 
axman2526 said:
Aye I don't think Estevao is the one that will find opportunities hard to come by.

Given he can play anywhere along the front line he could displace Neto or Sancho on the left, or Noni on the right. If he is as good as we hope he is, he likely will.

Paez on the other hand seems like he is more likely running in to Felix, Nkunku and, even worse for him, Cole Palmer.

This is assuming nobody other than Mudryk is moved on of course. If Nkunku stays fit and does not get a decent amount of play time I could see him wanting to go. At his stage of his career he needs to be playing often, these are his prime years.
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People should take notice of Liverpool throughout this season and you'll realize just how much football we will be playing if we qualify for the Champions League. 

Liverpool's squad is bleak. 

 
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Sconnie Blue said:
People should take notice of Liverpool throughout this season and you'll realize just how much football we will be playing if we qualify for the Champions League. 

Liverpool's squad is bleak. 
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Won't we have as any games as them playing in the conference league. Yes I know levels different but amount of games.

Also our back up defence is Badiashile and Disasi. That's bleak.

 
axman2526 said:
Won't we have as any games as them playing in the conference league. Yes I know levels different but amount of games.

Also our back up defence is Badiashile and Disasi. That's bleak.
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No we won't. Champions League + Europa League is going to include 2 to 4 extra matches at a minimum squished into fixtures.

Monaco chuckle brothers are 100% gone next summer at this rate. 

 
I'm going to assume Mudryk leaves and perhaps we don't sign Sancho is Paez and Estevao are going to get any game time at Chelsea. 

Felix signing looks more stupid by the day. 

 
Imho, I agree with the guys saying loan first.

They will be 18 in a new country, new league, new team, etc...they need to ease into it first and a year at strasbourg will do them good before joining the squad at Chelsea.

Sconnie Blue said:
Loans would be ideal for players who are struggling to find any place in the squad. 

As of now, Estevao competes with Madueke at RW and Paez becomes Palmer+Nkunku's understudy. 
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They probably can compete now if given enough game time but that's not possible at Chels. Like Carney...for his next step in development he'll need to play 30-35 games a season according to Maresca. How much game time will these 18yr olds get in our squad. A year at strasbourg won't only help them settle in but will also help their development, confidence, game time and gain as much experience as possible before becoming understudies to the squad the following year. Easing them into PL football is an important part of their development. 

 
Simplymo said:
Easing them into PL football is an important part of their development. 
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Which is literally what we would be doing with my post below. 

As of now, Estevao competes with Madueke at RW and Paez becomes Palmer+Nkunku's understudy. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Which is literally what we would be doing with my post below. 

As of now, Estevao competes with Madueke at RW and Paez becomes Palmer+Nkunku's understudy. 
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Yep, and that would be great for their second year after a year in strasbourg to tick the game time box. They won't get much game time here in their first year.

Not the 30-35 games to get them settled in.

 
Simplymo said:
Yep, and that would be great for their second year after a year in strasbourg to tick the game time box. They won't get much game time here in their first year.

Not the 30-35 games to get them settled in.
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They don't need 35 league games. They will be 18. Just being around the squad is enough education. 

But Estaveo seems so good that it would be criminal to send him anywhere but our first team squad. 

 
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