Flamengo vs Chelsea (CWC) Fri 20th June 19:00 GMT

Embarrassing the PL and ourselves, supporters of other clubs slaughtering us online, a lot being proved correct they we shouldn’t be anywhere near this competition

 
Well I said I'd be disgusted if Santos didn't get any minutes. That was a borderline sh*t show.

Stop playing Reece in that midfield role, Cole needs a break.

If they end up selling Petro and Santos I won't trust this board again.

 
Mikel just said ‘ I don’t care if he’s pissed off cos he’s got some competition for his place’ on line tv.
I was waiting to see what he said after the game, knew he would spit bullets!

Agree with him about the Delap signing angering Jackson, cause that's Jackson's nature! He just isn't professional enough!

Would much rather see Guiu getting minutes, Jackson has handed him that chance now!

 
I disagree with the notion that it’s all down to the manager.

This squad lacks skill… very few players are comfortable in tight spaces.
Disagree. Lavia, Enzo Fernandez, Caicedo, James, Palmer, Neto, Madueke, etc. These players are VERY GOOD in tight places.

 
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He is but come on man, putting a RB in midfield and pushing a weak RB to push on the wings is disgustingly looking down on his opponents and against 2 former Chelsea winners at that.
Absolutely. So many decisions this fraud has made before and during the game. We are playing in the heat of Philly, we are playing against Brazilians in the middle of their season. They are top of the league. He puts a piss weak Gusto on the pitch , plays James out of position, leaves the Brazilian DM on the bench and leaves our anaemic mancunian out there to wilt in the heat when he gad produced nothing.

I said we would fall apart on the hour if we didn't make changes at half time. 61 and 63 minutes. Fking moron.

 
Maresca said ‘we tried something new today with a view to the new season’

Wonder what that was ? More mistakes, even slower play, more yellows, truth is our tempo and general play is very poor
Maybe they tried a Philly cheesesteak?

 
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I disagree with the notion that it’s all down to the manager.

This squad lacks skill… very few players are comfortable in tight spaces.
Maybe the manager should try to get the players to play into space rather than crowding every player we have into the middle of the pitch to make 5 yard passes. inverted everything, boring.

 
Maresca said ‘we tried something new today with a view to the new season’

Wonder what that was ? More mistakes, even slower play, more yellows, truth is our tempo and general play is very poor
That was new? It seemed like the same old Maresca ball to me with a slight change to the formation. Bloke is bullsh*tting us again.

 
So Maresca is still pissing about with trying to convert James into a midfielder. Why not just play him at right back and play a midfielder in midfield? What’s he trying to prove?

Really wasn’t the game in the group stage to be messing about with Gusto and James in the same starting line up. Just a hopeless incoherent mess from start to finish.

I suspect he’s going to be found out this coming season for the fraud he is.

 
That was new? It seemed like the same old Maresca ball to me with a slight change to the formation. Bloke is bullsh*tting us again.
Not to mention that Maresca seems to lack real player-management. He has failed to get the best out of Cole Palmer for instance. That lad is GOOD (Very good) and we all know how good he can be and yet where was he tonight?

 
Not even Evissy's AI could come up with something positive to say about this match. Maybe that Jackson got sent off again and that means Delap/Guiu getting more games.

 
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Maresca said ‘we tried something new today with a view to the new season’

Wonder what that was ? More mistakes, even slower play, more yellows, truth is our tempo and general play is very poor
The only to be new was we perhaps found an even slower gear. Oh it’s the heat though - I forget 21-25 year olds struggle once it’s 80 degrees

I bet I could count the total sprints we made on both hands today. Just so slow and passive

 
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Disagree. Lavia, Enzo Fernandez, Caicedo, James, Palmer, Neto, Madueke, etc. These players are VERY GOOD in tight places.
Lavia has a handful of starts for the club. He's a glorified unknown at this level. Caicedo is an excellent player who is overrated here prob given his price tag (not his fault). Plays against brazil, and against Gerson Flmengo #8 often when Ecuador plays Brazil in SA.

Enzo and Palmer, I can agree, but neither showed up today. Neto, albeit a good player, thrives in counter-attacking football. Madueke, sorry, he's not skillful enough at this level for me, and needs acres to operate in. I'm not a fan at all. Sancho was excellent in tight spaces... too bad he never managed to influence games.

For the record, I'm originally from Brazil. I've been in the US for decades, and have a bias towards skill on the ball esp at this level. Been following chelsea for decades as well, and used to be fairly active on TC forums.

Yeah, regarding the Manager bit, agree to disagree then: Maresca will go and another manager will take over, and little will change, I'm afraid. We will see once it happens -- it shouldn't take long.
I just don't see enough quality in this team; I wish I did, but have to call it the way I see it.

to be clear, I don't think Maresca is a top manager nor do I think he was hired as such; just think it's one of those AND situations -- not mutually exclusive issues (manager and roster).

 
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So Maresca is still pissing about with trying to convert James into a midfielder. Why not just play him at right back and play a midfielder in midfield? What’s he trying to prove?

Really wasn’t the game in the group stage to be messing about with Gusto and James in the same starting line up. Just a hopeless incoherent mess from start to finish.

I suspect he’s going to be found out this coming season for the fraud he is.
Cos he can’t play his “box crasher” in a mid 2. I have always said he will have a problem when everyone is fit, common sense is just leave Lavia & Caicedo. He has a £105m headache he needs to figure out fast.

 
Cos he can’t play his “box crasher” in a mid 2. I have always said he will have a problem when everyone is fit, common sense is just leave Lavia & Caicedo. He has a £105m headache he needs to figure out fast.
It's not Maresca's headache tho. The next manager will face the same problem. Ultimately the club is responsible for planning and building the roster, not the manager(s).

Either Maresca is a yes-man and does what he's told to do (my take as well), or he plays a big part in building the squad.

 
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