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Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts (in the Roman/Clearlake eras we've literally brought back a player we sold as a youngster once IIRC which was Matic, yet the media bang on like it happens every transfer window). I remember these narratives were spun for Solanke even f**king Brewster when they were making up the numbers on the Liverpool bench a few times.

The ironic thing is is the youngsters we do fully commit to get criticised to sh*t the minute they have a dip (as seen with Christensen, Mount, Colwill to name three).

 
Argo said:
Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts (in the Roman/Clearlake eras we've literally brought back a player we sold as a youngster once IIRC which was Matic, yet the media bang on like it happens every transfer window). I remember these narratives were spun for Solanke even f**king Brewster when they were making up the numbers on the Liverpool bench a few times.

The ironic thing is is the youngsters we do fully commit to get criticised to sh*t the minute they have a dip (as seen with Christensen, Mount, Colwill to name three).
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It was f**king tedious with Lamptey, I never hear about him now. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Genuinely Embarrassing using secondary research as a point of reference? Are you on a windup?
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Whats genuinely embarrassing is you thinking "someone told me, honest mate, just believe me" is a secondary research point of reference 🤣

 
Sconnie Blue said:
My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season. Explained as much in the shared post you chose to ignore for whatever reason. 

What's this have to do with Rico Lewis not playing fullback?
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Competition for places and quality of competition is why Rico Lewis isn't playing in his preferred role. If Walker and Stones got injured, Lewis would likely fill in at RB. We've not got that competition with a  so have no excuse for not giving Maatsen minutes even once at LB. Thought that was quite obvious what i was getting at. 

 
Argo said:
Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts
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You're contradicting yourself.

On the one hand you quote Burnley fans opinion as if their word is sacrosanct. On the other hand you're slagging them off entirely because of their opinion.

 
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RIP Mourinho said:
Most weren't that bothered about Lamptey as we had Reece. More of an uproar losing Livramento, which seems justified. 
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Very much so. We sell Livramento and eventually get about £25m for him and then spunk £65m up the wall on Cucurella.

Why on Earth anybody would think that was a good idea is beyond me.

Newcastle fans are raving about Tino.

 
Gonoir Beniashile said:
You're contradicting yourself.

On the one hand you quote Burnley fans opinion as if their word is sacrosanct. On the other hand you're slagging them off entirely because of their opinion.
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If we're going down that route you're doing the exact same thing in reverse!

 
Gonoir Beniashile said:
Very much so. We sell Livramento and eventually get about £25m for him and then spunk £65m up the wall on Cucurella.

Why on Earth anybody would think that was a good idea is beyond me.

Newcastle fans are raving about Tino.
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Livramento chose to leave as he was behind a young Reece James that everyone knew was going to be first team, it was his decision not to sign a contract so not a lot we could do.

 
dkw said:
Livramento chose to leave as he was behind a young Reece James that everyone knew was going to be first team, it was his decision not to sign a contract so not a lot we could do.
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Yup. Declined a new contract. Third in the queue behind Azpi and Reece. He'd've had to wait two years to discover Reece is made of glass.

 
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dkw said:
Whats genuinely embarrassing is you thinking "someone told me, honest mate, just believe me" is a secondary research point of reference 🤣
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Using a fanbases' perspective on a player that they've watched week in and week out, for over a year, isn't some far cry of supporting evidence. You asked me to 'prove it', I showed you Burnley' fans perspective where majority of them didn't want to spend the money to buy Maatsen and slated him defensively. 

RIP Mourinho said:
Competition for places and quality of competition is why Rico Lewis isn't playing in his preferred role. If Walker and Stones got injured, Lewis would likely fill in at RB. We've not got that competition with a  so have no excuse for not giving Maatsen minutes even once at LB. Thought that was quite obvious what i was getting at. 
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If you want to talk about quality of competition Rico Lewis was starting matches in midfield over Kovacic, Nunes and Phillips. You yourself explained Pep won the treble using a strong backline and its hardly surprising Rico Lewis is looking more natural as a midfielder than as opposed to playing fullback. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
If you want to talk about quality of competition Rico Lewis was starting matches in midfield over Kovacic, Nunes and Phillips. You yourself explained Pep won the treble using a strong backline and its hardly surprising Rico Lewis is looking more natural as a midfielder than as opposed to playing fullback. 
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In the early stages of cup competitions you fail to mention...

Rico has started 4 games in the premier league this season:

3-0 win over Burnley first game of the season, started LB.

1-0 loss to Arsenal, started CM alongside Kovacic. Pep notoriously won't ever start Phillips and Nunes had only played a single 90 minutes against Forest at this point since signing. 

1-0 loss to Villa, started AM. Kovacic had played just 3 minutes of football since coming back before this game and Nunes wasn't in the squad the two games before this.

2-2 draw with Crystal Palace, started CM. Nunes had played a single 90 minutes of premier league football for City before this and Kovacic had played 3 minutes of football since coming back into the squad.

So in summary, whenever the full back started further forward than his natural position this season they dropped points and was starting there due to circumstance. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Most weren't that bothered about Lamptey as we had Reece. More of an uproar losing Livramento, which seems justified. 
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Revisionism, I remember full well when Lamptey left people never shut the f**k up about him for the first couple of seasons. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Using a fanbases' perspective on a player that they've watched week in and week out, for over a year, isn't some far cry of supporting evidence. You asked me to 'prove it', I showed you Burnley' fans perspective where majority of them didn't want to spend the money to buy Maatsen and slated him defensively. 
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No you didn't, you said this below, which is absolute bullsh*t, sure you spent time speaking to Burnley fans, righto.....utter nonsense.

Sconnie Blue said:
My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season.
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dkw said:
No you didn't, you said this below, which is absolute bullsh*t, sure you spent time speaking to Burnley fans, righto.....utter nonsense.
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I live in the Wisconsin (Sconnie) lmao I don't have the luxury of speaking to any Burnley fans.  😂

I was telling you to speak with actual Burnley fans if you wanted proof and their perspective, or to look at the thread I posted from a Burnley supporters forum. 

 
dkw said:
No you weren't, just stop the bullsh*t ffs 
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Literally the post I shared to you (which yet again you've ignored) explained speaking to Burnley fans directly or visiting their team forums if you wanted proof. 

Done engaging with this logic chopping. 

No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 
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