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junkymunky said:
I would say hes world class, hes one of the best players in the premier league and could get into most teams in the world. 

He easily gets into City's team and our as well, and we're the champions league finalists
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Mid 20's, not played a single game of European football, not won a single trophy, spent most of his career fighting relegation and winning promotion with Villa and doesn't have a single top 10 finish in the Premier League in his career. Doesn't score enough either. He still has everything to prove at the top level before he can be considered world class.

The majority of our squad are more proven at the top level than Grealish is, but there are only two players in our whole squad I would label world class, Kante and Silva.

 
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Comparing Grealish to Eden... 

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Scott Harris said:
Mid 20's, not played a single game of European football, not won a single trophy, spent most of his career fighting relegation and winning promotion with Villa and doesn't have a single top 10 finish in the Premier League in his career. Doesn't score enough either. He still has everything to prove at the top level before he can be considered world class.

The majority of our squad are more proven at the top level than Grealish is, but there are only two players in our whole squad I would label world class, Kante and Silva.
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The not won a trophy argument is so bad, there are plenty of world class players who play for terrible clubs that just wont be in contention to win trophies. Look at Kane for example.. 

He cant help being surrounded by dross, but if you cant see hes a good player then there's no point continuing this conversation

 
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junkymunky said:
I think its a fair comment... A lot of the season Werner has started on the left, and you're telling me Grealish isnt an upgrade?
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Werner played an inside forward role in an advanced position, Grealish plays deeper and wider, why are we comapring them ? The system we played last season dint have a place for Grealish, not without using a crowbar.

 
coco said:
Werner played an inside forward role in an advanced position, Grealish plays deeper and wider, why are we comapring them ? The system we played last season dint have a place for Grealish, not without using a crowbar.
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yeah if we carry on playing the same formation there's no real space for him, but it seems once Tuchel gets his ideal signings we're going to a 4-3-3 as thats his preferred one to use

 
junkymunky said:
yeah if we carry on playing the same formation there's no real space for him, but it seems once Tuchel gets his ideal signings we're going to a 4-3-3 as thats his preferred one to use
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Pulisic and CHO are both better at beating players than Grealish, so if Tommy changed the system i would like to see them get a chance before Grealish. Another thing with Grealish is the main part of his game is buying fouls for the team, but we dont really have a threat from free kicks, and it would break up play a lot and slowing down attacks just to go through the motion of a free kick over the bar.

 
coco said:
Pulisic and CHO are both better at beating players than Grealish, so if Tommy changed the system i would like to see them get a chance before Grealish. Another thing with Grealish is the main part of his game is buying fouls for the team, but we dont really have a threat from free kicks, and it would break up play a lot and slowing down attacks just to go through the motion of a free kick over the bar.
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Winning penalties and freekicks are pretty underrated though! Hazard used to be great at it and its saved us plenty of times. 

Maybe you're right and CHO and Pulisic will be better direct wingers than him, but I still feel we miss someone with his creativity

 
junkymunky said:
Winning penalties and freekicks are pretty underrated though! Hazard used to be great at it and its saved us plenty of times. 

Maybe you're right and CHO and Pulisic will be better direct wingers than him, but I still feel we miss someone with his creativity
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Whatever TT goes with I'm behind him 110%

 
junkymunky said:
The not won a trophy argument is so bad, there are plenty of world class players who play for terrible clubs that just wont be in contention to win trophies. Look at Kane for example.. 

He cant help being surrounded by dross, but if you cant see hes a good player then there's no point continuing this conversation
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I don’t think every good player is a world class player. For me Kane isn’t a world class player, English fans would disagree though. He reminds me of peak Higuain who in contrast was actually well decorated but never showed up on the big stage. IMO Peak Higuain was never a world class player. 
As for being surrounded by dross, he got to a CL final and was close to winning the league. You ask some Spurs fan and they will tell you he never turned up at the CL final, and couldn’t drag them to a league title. Not a world class player for me, and if you argue he is then you probably would say Son is a world class player also which he clearly isn’t. 

 
Agreed to join City apparently, we'll see if Villa agree to sell him, i doubt it unless its above 100m.

 
junkymunky said:
The not won a trophy argument is so bad, there are plenty of world class players who play for terrible clubs that just wont be in contention to win trophies. Look at Kane for example.. 

He cant help being surrounded by dross, but if you cant see hes a good player then there's no point continuing this conversation
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I can see that he is a good player, just not a world class one. Massively overhyped for achieving very little in the game at this point in his career. It actually reminds me of how people overhyped Zaha for so long.

Also, the point about needing to win a trophy to be world class, I personally think you do need to win something to be world class, but even if you think you don't need to win anything, what about all of the other points I made? Being mid 20's and not playing a single game of his career in European football, not scoring many goals, not a single top 10 finish at the highest level, spending some of his best years in the Championship? We can add relegated from the Premier League to his name as well. Maybe one of these on their own wouldn't disqualify him from being world class, but when you add them all together, then I can't see how he can be labelled world class.

 
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Scott Harris said:
I can see that he is a good player, just not a world class one. Massively overhyped for achieving very little in the game at this point in his career. It actually reminds me of how people overhyped Zaha for so long.

Also, the point about needing to win a trophy to be world class, I personally think you do need to win something to be world class, but even if you think you don't need to win anything, what about all of the other points I made? Being mid 20's and not playing a single game of his career in European football, not scoring many goals, not a single top 10 finish at the highest level, spending some of his best years in the Championship? We can add relegated from the Premier League to his name as well. Maybe one of these on their own wouldn't disqualify him from being world class, but when you add them all together, then I can't see how he can be labelled world class.
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Most of his hype has come from people desperate to throw shade at Mount, and even that only started because the previous player used for that purpose (Maddison) fell so far off a cliff they had to find someone else.

 
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World class players win stuff because they end up in winning teams. Grealish is good, but still didn’t start for England, lacks pace, I’ve not observed him pressing and doesn’t score much more than Barkley. If he goes to ManC ends up starting in front of Foden or Sterling or Mahrez then we’ll see how good he really is. But in any case he’s not what we need. I like Werner’s work rate and pace, makes it happen for the team. 

 
Scott Harris said:
I can see that he is a good player, just not a world class one. Massively overhyped for achieving very little in the game at this point in his career. It actually reminds me of how people overhyped Zaha for so long.

Also, the point about needing to win a trophy to be world class, I personally think you do need to win something to be world class, but even if you think you don't need to win anything, what about all of the other points I made? Being mid 20's and not playing a single game of his career in European football, not scoring many goals, not a single top 10 finish at the highest level, spending some of his best years in the Championship? We can add relegated from the Premier League to his name as well. Maybe one of these on their own wouldn't disqualify him from being world class, but when you add them all together, then I can't see how he can be labelled world class.
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Yeah thats a fair point, but he's pretty unlucky to be playing for a Aston Villa side who in general are not that good, at least not to be competing at the european level. He's at his boyhood club and the club he supports and its not like hes pushing for a transfer. 

Just think its a bit harsh to write off player just because he plays for a team that is midtable and wont really compete for trophies or play in europe. Im sure there have been many top players in the past that up until a certain point didnt have any of what you mentioned.

I tend to look at it more on his individual attributes and abilities and i think those are top tier in the premier league

 
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