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Philippe Coutinho

mwblue10 said:
We could certainly be targeting him, but Amoyal is an idiot and doesn’t know anything.  He covers Serie A, and was dumb enough to say last summer that Sarri doesn’t speak a lick of English.
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It's coming from Di Marzio. Amoyal just translates what he says into English.

 
JMaher94 said:
Looks like we'll be replacing Hazard with Coutinho if the ban gets overturned.

Another one to add to the Brazillian clique... ?

Wonder if Willian will end up going the other way? (hopefully)
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I really don't want this to happen. It would be a waste of money, and it will be a lot of money too because Barcelona will want to make a lot back on him.

 
Scott Harris said:
I really don't want this to happen. It would be a waste of money, and it will be a lot of money too because Barcelona will want to make a lot back on him.
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I think it would end up at minimum offsetting whatever funds we get in selling Hazard

 
He can be a good player for us but I don't really like him personally...but he does have a great shooting ability.

 
As much as I don't really like the signing, what's his best position should he come in? He's not really pacy to be a winger and we have better central midfielders unless we play him as a 10 but not a lot of managers like using a No. 10 nowadays.

 
Would love for him to come in, but the prices being touted are ridiculous. Its far too much money and I dont fancy the idea of spending more than what we will get for selling Hazard.

Under 100m and Ill take it if we sell Hazard, but anything more seems a bit too much

 
Definition of a luxury player. Avoid avoid avoid. Would take Oscar or Ramires back over him any day of the week. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Definition of a luxury player. Avoid avoid avoid. Would take Oscar or Ramires back over him any day of the week. 
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I agree AVOID as he is nowhere near consistent enough. Don't think I would go as far as to say I would have Oscar or Ramires back though.

I know you're trying to underline how much of a luxury you think Coutinho is but all three Brazilians can stay exactly where they are and I'll be happy with that!

 
JMaher94 said:
Looks like we'll be replacing Hazard with Coutinho if the ban gets overturned.

Another one to add to the Brazillian clique... ?

Wonder if Willian will end up going the other way? (hopefully)
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I would prefer we stayed away from Coutinho, if I'm being honest. I know how unlikely it is we will actually replace Hazard this season or next. But I don't think Coutinho is the answer. 

 
ENygma said:
Would love for him to come in, but the prices being touted are ridiculous. Its far too much money and I dont fancy the idea of spending more than what we will get for selling Hazard.

Under 100m and Ill take it if we sell Hazard, but anything more seems a bit too much
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£100m shouldn't even be considered, or £70m, or £50m, or £30m. He's really not all that special, he has a worldie in him now and again, but that is about it.

 
Scott Harris said:
£100m shouldn't even be considered, or £70m, or £50m, or £30m. He's really not all that special, he has a worldie in him now and again, but that is about it.
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To be fair Scott in this market 30 million gets you a Danny Drinkwater type so it’s clear to see why a guy who was one of the better players in our league when he was here would be far far more. £70 odd million gets you Lukaku and Morata types who are not special either

Creation wise I don’t think we have better if Hazard leaves than a player like Coutinho currently IMO. 

 
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Chelsbear said:
To be fair Scott in this market 30 million gets you a Danny Drinkwater type so it’s clear to see why a guy who was one of the better players in our league when he was here would be far far more. £70 odd million gets you Lukaku and Morata types who are not special either

Creation wise I don’t think we have better if Hazard leaves than a player like Coutinho currently IMO. 
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But that is because we grossly over paid for Drinkwater and Morata. Even in today's market, Drinkwater is a £15m player and Morata a £30m player. If we are going to waste all of the Hazard money on a player like Coutinho, then we may as well just keep Hazard for another year and let him leave for free after next season. If all we can do is sign one decent-ish player at best out of it then there is no point. If we spend a penny over £30m for Coutinho, I would be furious, I just don't see what is so great about the guy outside of long range goals. There must be better ways we can spend £100m without spending it on overhyped and inconsistent players like Coutinho.

The prices being mentioned for these players is obscene. It was only in 2012 that we signed Hazard for £30m, if we tried to sign him at the same age today it would cost us £100-150m. I know prices inflate over the years, but never have they gone up this much in such a short amount of time. Look at the difference between 2005-2012, the prices players were going for didn't change, then compare 2012-2019 and you see that prices have almost tripled. I know the Premier League got a whole lot more money ploughed in to it a few years back, but it's not just in England that prices have skyrocketed, it's everywhere. There was even talk of Atletico Madrid paying £71m for Ben Chilwell. That is insane, no way is he anywhere near worth that amount. If Ben Chilwell is worth £71m, then Hazard with only one year left on his contract is worth £300m. 

 
Scott Harris said:
But that is because we grossly over paid for Drinkwater and Morata. Even in today's market, Drinkwater is a £15m player and Morata a £30m player. If we are going to waste all of the Hazard money on a player like Coutinho, then we may as well just keep Hazard for another year and let him leave for free after next season. If all we can do is sign one decent-ish player at best out of it then there is no point. If we spend a penny over £30m for Coutinho, I would be furious, I just don't see what is so great about the guy outside of long range goals. There must be better ways we can spend £100m without spending it on overhyped and inconsistent players like Coutinho.

The prices being mentioned for these players is obscene. It was only in 2012 that we signed Hazard for £30m, if we tried to sign him at the same age today it would cost us £100-150m. I know prices inflate over the years, but never have they gone up this much in such a short amount of time. Look at the difference between 2005-2012, the prices players were going for didn't change, then compare 2012-2019 and you see that prices have almost tripled. I know the Premier League got a whole lot more money ploughed in to it a few years back, but it's not just in England that prices have skyrocketed, it's everywhere. There was even talk of Atletico Madrid paying £71m for Ben Chilwell. That is insane, no way is he anywhere near worth that amount. If Ben Chilwell is worth £71m, then Hazard with only one year left on his contract is worth £300m. 
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They are only worth what someone will pay. 

£30 million doesn’t get you much these days in our market. Micy was that price while Jorginho more, we payed more than double for a young keeper who had never really been a standout for any length of time. The last value for money was probably Kanye but that’s because he had a clause otherwise it would have been another huge fee.

Coutinho is a Brazilian international who when in England was one of the leagues better players and his standing is still high so his fee is rightly going to be big. 

Hazard is going for half his market value due to the contract situation and our willingness to let him go. 

The market is inflated grosly but upward of £40 odd million is what’s needed these days to get you a decent level of footballer unless they have some clause or their contract is running down. 

 
Chelsbear said:
They are only worth what someone will pay. 

£30 million doesn’t get you much these days in our market. Micy was that price while Jorginho more, we payed more than double for a young keeper who had never really been a standout for any length of time. The last value for money was probably Kanye but that’s because he had a clause otherwise it would have been another huge fee.

Coutinho is a Brazilian international who when in England was one of the leagues better players and his standing is still high so his fee is rightly going to be big. 

Hazard is going for half his market value due to the contract situation and our willingness to let him go. 

The market is inflated grosly but upward of £40 odd million is what’s needed these days to get you a decent level of footballer unless they have some clause or their contract is running down. 
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I'm surprised the Kardashians haven't been to more of our games

 
I don’t even see the point in rumours if we can’t sign anyone, unless we can accept the charge in exchange for it being reduced to 1 window as some have stated may be possible  then  sign now and register in Jan 

 
Nibs said:
I agree AVOID as he is nowhere near consistent enough. Don't think I would go as far as to say I would have Oscar or Ramires back though.

I know you're trying to underline how much of a luxury you think Coutinho is but all three Brazilians can stay exactly where they are and I'll be happy with that!
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I actually think Ramires would do well in that Kante role and Oscar would do well in any three of the midfield roles.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
I actually think Ramires would do well in that Kante role and Oscar would do well in any three of the midfield roles.
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They had some good moments (especially THAT goal by Ramires) but by the time we sold them both players were shockingly inconsistent and I would much rather we now see integration of the youth rather than go back to players who won't be any better than when they left. Oscar was always too light-weight and Ramires used to give the ball away for fun!

 
Nibs said:
They had some good moments (especially THAT goal by Ramires) but by the time we sold them both players were shockingly inconsistent and I would much rather we now see integration of the youth rather than go back to players who won't be any better than when they left. Oscar was always too light-weight and Ramires used to give the ball away for fun!
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but.. but.. that chip over Valdes  :ohmy:

 
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