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We certainly have had a few nutcases and thugs in our time yet think the difference is we got roundly condemned by the media.
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Dunno if there's much to condemn to be honest mate
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Yeah we did get condemned mate, I'm pretty sure Liverpool fans would have been condemned too if the same things had happened at Anfield .
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Not so sure. They have been directly responsible/involved in two of the most serious and deadly events in European football history and there's no condemnation of the Club or their supporters. In fact, there's this narrative that they were the victims and Heyssel gets silenced most of the time. What would have happened if it had been us and we decided to parade this season on the anniversary day of the killing of the Juve fans? The media would be all over us, instead, they silence that and get on with building the story that the French police mistreated the poor, poor Liverpool supporters. Should we also discuss about the media saying how dedicated their fans are when the City bus is stoned twice in their Champions League matches? Or when they set fireworks to wake up and disturb their opponent's players when in that sh*t hole of city? I mean come on, that's not the narrative we get from the media. And they never get condemned for it (in fact, it was the whole of the English football teams that bared the grunt for the Liverpool supporters).
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I think with stuff like this esp when it gets all serious the only thing to do is get the facts as best as anyone can before just condemning an entire swath of people - whoever those people are.
Once it was established that yes some people, Possibly some brits started climbing the fence but that was only after thousands of locals from a really dodgy area near the stadium turned up and started creating chaos then immediately it was obvious what was really going on, Women, Children and old men were riot raided by the French fuzz and then they came out and claimed they were actually after all the locals etc!
Basically standard english club supporters haf of them fired up on Stella probably having a party and then the baguette throwers had themselves a fun little time probably trying to ruin a load of brits day, But ofc probably more than half weren't even British, most were tourists!
They even admitted the ticket thing was all a lie!
all i wanted to state was what really went down, Not defend the dirty dips and i got abuse haha
France is an absolute ghetto in areas these days and the powers that be are consumed by one upping us
We didnt have 200yrs of wars against the french for no reason!
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Next it will be the liverpool fans who stole all their vaccines at half time!!
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I can't disagree with you mate and I wasn't aware of the anniversary of the Heysel outrage , and yes the club and fans ignored it afterwards. The other thing is their violent robberies of clothes shops in Europe bringing back designer clothes which supposedly started the casuals movement. commentator seen to portray that criminality as a bit of a lark.
Not sure Paris was alldown to them though, and the St Denis gangs seemed to be able operate freely afterwards
They are not blameless, but I don't recall them being involved in major disorder at domestic games like we were ?
The media and football people just don't get it. Even Pep believed everyone was rooting for Liverpool and Jonathan Woodgate unbelievably claimed that villa fans wanted Liverpool to win at Villa park !
the only time I've ever wanted an English team to win a trophy though was Liverpool.
But that was against Spurs !
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The major domestic disorder they were responsible/involved in was Hillsborough. For all the disorders and crap that we've done, nothing compares to that. Now, the police is also blamed, which could be partially true, but their brainless scum were pushing and pushing and pushing their own. That same thing happened in Heysel... And that could have happened in Paris. I agree that there were local thugs also involved in violence, after the match the Madrid supporters were robbed by gangs of local youth. But the avalanche while entering the stadium was mostly down to Liverpool without tickets or fake tickets (which were easy to sell on because the Club wanted paper tickets instead of electronic) trying to make their way in forcefully.
The stealing happened also here, when they were stealing in every single service stations they stopped at when they travelled down to Wembley. And I saw Liverpool supporters trying to get into the Chelsea stands in the FA Cup final, which were kicked out from the queues by our own supporters, thankfully. Also, in every game I've been to against this lot in the last few years, the number of flares they carry is impossible to miss. They also take them to the Champions League. They are illegal, by the way. Not a peep in the media. The trashing of City's bus has happened twice, but that is down to their unconditional supporters showing their love for the club. We could go on and on, but let's talk about the Chelsea supporters, because all Chelsea are racists, as we all know....
Have a good one you too, mate!
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The only time I recall wanting another team to win was when Arsenal were playing Liverpool and Michael Thomas hit the winner to take the League away from Liverpool.