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big blue said:
I think last night highlighted why we were after Hakimi. James has great delivery, but he doesnt have that 1v1 ability or pace to get by players frequently, and with Alonso on the other side, it meant we werent able to hurt them in wide areas.
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Early on whenever he was in space, could run on to a good ball and get at a defender the pass was always sh*t, never in front of him and made him have to double back to receive it. He just seemed to give up on it all after 20 minutes. 

 
Munkworth said:
Early on whenever he was in space, could run on to a good ball and get at a defender the pass was always sh*t, never in front of him and made him have to double back to receive it. He just seemed to give up on it all after 20 minutes. 
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Yeah it was pretty laboured in that 1st half, Ziyech didnt offer him any support going forward either tbf.

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Last night, it felt like that was a tactical instruction. There was a reluctance from all of our players to put crosses in for large periods. 
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When you have Lukaku as st yoy want to pump crosses in. I'll ve surprised if that is tactical instruction

 
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Reece james is simply not a natural wb. He is more of a rb or a midfielder but if coached properly, I think he can be a good wb

 
Sad to see Reece James had his Champions League and Euro 2020 medals stolen from his house.

 
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wally said:
Marina is excellent at getting good fees for our players but not so good in the buying and other aspects of her job.
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Disagree. Leicester wanted a similar fee as Maguire for Chilwell and Marina got him for £45m. MAnaged to get Kai when all big clubs wanted him. Beat Utd for Saul on a very cheap loan deal. Werner looked like a steal at £45m too. 

I'd say the only 'fails' she has had are when she's been told to buy a specific player. Someone obviously told her to get Kepa and everyone know Bilbao only ever sell players for their release clause. 

I think its a lazy argument that we see quite often about Marina not buying players for good value with the last few windows we have had.

Interested to see what your point about the other aspects of her job are.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Disagree. Leicester wanted a similar fee as Maguire for Chilwell and Marina got him for £45m. MAnaged to get Kai when all big clubs wanted him. Beat Utd for Saul on a very cheap loan deal. Werner looked like a steal at £45m too. 

I'd say the only 'fails' she has had are when she's been told to buy a specific player. Someone obviously told her to get Kepa and everyone know Bilbao only ever sell players for their release clause. 

I think its a lazy argument that we see quite often about Marina not buying players for good value with the last few windows we have had.

Interested to see what your point about the other aspects of her job are.
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My understanding of her job is that she has complete control of buying, selling and contracts.

Probably the best in the league at selling.

Buying?

Kai is a talent but he still has a long way  to go before he proves he's worth what we paid for him.

Chilwell is struggling to hold down his position as first choice LB. At best the 45 million is no more than he's worth.

Who would pay 50 million for Werner now?

Too early to say anything about Saul.

What about the fees for Drinkwater, Batshuayi and Bakayoko?

Then there's big mistake of not selling CHO for a massive fee for a completely unproven player and then handing him a huge contract for which he did nothing to earn.

 
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RIP Mourinho said:
Disagree. Leicester wanted a similar fee as Maguire for Chilwell and Marina got him for £45m. MAnaged to get Kai when all big clubs wanted him. Beat Utd for Saul on a very cheap loan deal. Werner looked like a steal at £45m too. 

I'd say the only 'fails' she has had are when she's been told to buy a specific player. Someone obviously told her to get Kepa and everyone know Bilbao only ever sell players for their release clause. 

I think its a lazy argument that we see quite often about Marina not buying players for good value with the last few windows we have had.

Interested to see what your point about the other aspects of her job are.
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It is similar to woordward in United, when transfer goes wrong it is marina/woordward fault. I am pretty sure their main job is mostly on the money side, and picking player is manager + scout + some other department job. 

Take Lukaku for example, Tuchel said he want a no 9 who can play back to goal who is ready to lead us. I am pretty sure Marina won't say we should sign a, b or c.

Whoever in charge with finding player will give the lis to Tuchel. Honestly, in this case the list is pretty straightforward

It is clear who is the target, Tuchel said it was Lukaku, Haaland, Kane maybe even lewa. Now it is on Marina to negotiate fee and wages.

 
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wally said:
My understanding of her job is that she has complete control of buying, selling and contracts.

Probably the best in the league at selling.

Buying?

Kai is a talent but he still has a long way  to go before he proves he's worth what we paid for him.

Chilwell is struggling to hold down his position as first choice LB. At best the 45 million is no more than he's worth.

Who would pay 50 million for Werner now?

Too early to say anything about Saul.

What about the fees for Drinkwater, Batshuayi and Bakayoko?

Then there's big mistake of not selling CHO for a massive fee for a completely unproven player and then handing him a huge contract for which he did nothing to earn.
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Yeah but a player performing isn't down to Marina though? At the point of buying them Kai was the best youngster in world football, Chilwell was a massive upgrade as he showed last season and has English tax and Werner was banging in 30+ goals a seaon. All worth what we paid for them at the time. £4.5m loan fee for Sual is absolute pennies too.

Drinkwater and Bakayoko are the from the anomaly window. As someone above mentioned, they will have been chosen by a scout, i seem to remember a lot of hype around Bakayoko due to the Monaco run of form at the time. Wouldn't say they're bad deals on Marina's part. 

Batshuayi was another promising young player with teams like Juventus wanting him the year we got him. £30m for a 22 year old striker off the back of a 23 goal season was a good move. I really don't see how you can blame Marina for him not adapting to the prem in the same fashion. 

If anything the club has learned from the mistakes of Bakayoko and Batshuayi and moved away from buying promising youngsters from Ligue 1. If i'm remebering corrently the only player we've signed from that league since is Mendy? That's why i'm so surprised so many fans wanted us to move for Tchoameni or Camavinga.

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Given that we smashed our transfer record this summer signing Lukaku for almost £100m and yet still made a profit in the transfer market I'd say Granovskaia is doing excellently. 
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I don't think Lukaku is worth close to what we paid for him. In the two games against top six teams this season, he's looked rather ordinary, as he always has been against the top six in this country.

 
wally said:
I don't think Lukaku is worth close to what we paid for him. In the two games against top six teams this season, he's looked rather ordinary, as he always has been against the top six in this country.
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Are you trying to make a point about Lukaku's quality/ability or about Granovskaia's quality/ability in her role? Because you don't seem to be arguing one thing or the other. 

Granovskaia is tasked with negotiating the transfers for incoming and outgoing players. 

She doesn't decide who to buy or sell, she just makes it happen. 

So tasked with signing a new centre forward (if rumour is to be believed) we inquired about signing Haaland and the deal would have been a £200m transfer fee, agent and signing on fees in the region of £50m and wages in excess of £400k a week. Harry Kane was a no go because Spurs. 

So we signed Lukaku. His career record is 263 goals in 524 appearances and he is arguably at his peak right now. Tell me another striker in Europe who we could have signed with that sort of record who wouldn't have cost similar, if not more, than we paid for Lukaku? 

Can you also tell me of another club that has paid £100m for a player and gone on to have a net positive spend in the same transfer window? 

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Are you trying to make a point about Lukaku's quality/ability or about Granovskaia's quality/ability in her role? Because you don't seem to be arguing one thing or the other. 

Granovskaia is tasked with negotiating the transfers for incoming and outgoing players. 

She doesn't decide who to buy or sell, she just makes it happen. 

So tasked with signing a new centre forward (if rumour is to be believed) we inquired about signing Haaland and the deal would have been a £200m transfer fee, agent and signing on fees in the region of £50m and wages in excess of £400k a week. Harry Kane was a no go because Spurs. 

So we signed Lukaku. His career record is 263 goals in 524 appearances and he is arguably at his peak right now. Tell me another striker in Europe who we could have signed with that sort of record who wouldn't have cost similar, if not more, than we paid for Lukaku? 

Can you also tell me of another club that has paid £100m for a player and gone on to have a net positive spend in the same transfer window? 
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I am critical of Marina agreeing to pay 100 million for a flat track bully who'll have little resale value at the end of his contract. I think it's another awful, Kepa, level panic buy deal. 

Imo, we should have waited until we could buy a better value for money striker and in the meantime find a way of getting more out of our players who have far greater technical ability than this big lump.

 
wally said:
Imo, we should have waited until we could buy a better value for money striker and in the meantime find a way of getting more out of our players who have far greater technical ability than this big lump.
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May I know who? 

 
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This is the Reece James thread btw.

But since you asked me: I'm super happy Lukaku plays for us. Seems like a 100% Chelsea player and fits like a(n expensive) glove. He got the quality and the heart to bring our squad near to perfection. And a flat track bully is all we actually needed - yet we got way more than that.

 
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wally said:
I am critical of Marina agreeing to pay 100 million for a flat track bully who'll have little resale value at the end of his contract.
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Why do you care what his resale value is? We've bought him to score goals, not with one eye on selling him down the line, he's been bought in to fix a problem of scoring goals. 

wally said:
 I think it's another awful, Kepa, level panic buy deal. 
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So you are unhappy with the 4 goals he has scored in 5 appearances so far? 

wally said:
Imo, we should have waited until we could buy a better value for money striker
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Which striker would you envision would be a better striker and better value in a years time? 

After having our top scorer in the league last season be Jorginho scoring 7 penalties you would have been happy to go into the new season with no changes to our striking options? 

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Why do you care what his resale value is? We've bought him to score goals, not with one eye on selling him down the line, he's been bought in to fix a problem of scoring goals. 

So you are unhappy with the 4 goals he has scored in 5 appearances so far? 

Which striker would you envision would be a better striker and better value in a years time? 

After having our top scorer in the league last season be Jorginho scoring 7 penalties you would have been happy to go into the new season with no changes to our striking options? 
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Resale value should be taken into account when you splash out a massive amount on a player.

Yes, his goal tally so far has been up to par, but not his performances against the two top 6 teams he's faced. That's the point his critics have always held against him and nothing seems to have changed.

Name one club who has won the EPL with a flat track bully as their main striker? They get found out in far too many of the big games and that's why you don't see the likes of City or Liverpool going in for these  type of technically deficient battering ram strikers.I've never been a fan of this type of striker and I never will.

As for a better option? Well, that's the job of our scouts to go and find one. Personally, I would have kept Tammy (he didn't get a fair crack under TT) and fiddled through with what we have until we found the right striker.

 
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