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Renato Veiga

Know nothing about this guy but got a good feeling about him. His signing is giving me azpi vibes. Some well needed height as well

 
rtwelch said:
Know nothing about this guy but got a good feeling about him. His signing is giving me azpi vibes. Some well needed height as well
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Most likely getting sent out on loan. Him staying is dependent on shifting one of Cucurella/Chilwell away, which isn’t likely. 

 
ducavis said:
Most likely getting sent out on loan. Him staying is dependent on shifting one of Cucurella/Chilwell away, which isn’t likely. 
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Veiga, Kellyman, Guiu, I don't expect any of these players to get much game time. Just more to add to the list like Ugochukwu, Santos, Casadei, Moreira, Angelo, Fofana and Washington.

 
I think Veiga will get games, we wanted Calafiori for this role who would have come into the first team and went with Veiga instead. We'd identified this as a position to strengthen. 

Guiu is dependant on if anyone else comes in. Sign another striker and he's out on loan, i can't see Broja staying around and we can't do another seaosn with just Jackson.

Kellyman will get minimum minutes if he even stays imo. 

 
Scott Harris said:
Veiga, Kellyman, Guiu, I don't expect any of these players to get much game time. Just more to add to the list like Ugochukwu, Santos, Casadei, Moreira, Angelo, Fofana and Washington.
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This has always been the plan. 

 
WhiteWall said:
It's the plan with every player. The sporting side is an incidental overlay.
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Every team does this. Cheap, young player. Some will make it, some won't doesn't matter. 

The hype around some of this player is the 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

 
Bob stark said:
Every team does this. Cheap, young player. Some will make it, some won't doesn't matter. 

The hype around some of this player is the 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
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They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.

 
WhiteWall said:
They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.
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Agree totally and I'm getting more and more disillusioned with all of this . We all know what is required and it isn't more kids ,they need to do

something for the team not the profit and loss potential

 
WhiteWall said:
They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.
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Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 

 
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Remodez said:
Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 
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Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 

 
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Bob stark said:
Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 
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I think it makes it harder to keep them but we are still a big club so can attract good players before they move on to Madrid, etc for better wages.  

 
Remodez said:
I think it makes it harder to keep them but we are still a big club so can attract good players before they move on to Madrid, etc for better wages.  
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It depend on the player, it will be difficult  to sign an established PL player. 

Not sure we can compete with arse, city or united on wages. 

 
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What would people rather....

Buying so called finished articles, that have a big cost, but equally big risk of failure (The likes of morata, lukaku, werner, Koulibaly etc)

or Buying players with a big upside, huge potential and lower risk (the likes of this guy, gusto, azpi, palmer etc)

We won't get them all right - but for me, we have tried the route of buying established names - and it has been hit and miss - but more miss.

 
Bob stark said:
Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 
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Did he say low cost or self-sustainable business? Because I’ve read the latter.

 
nonotnowjim said:
What would people rather....

Buying so called finished articles, that have a big cost, but equally big risk of failure (The likes of morata, lukaku, werner, Koulibaly etc)

or Buying players with a big upside, huge potential and lower risk (the likes of this guy, gusto, azpi, palmer etc)

We won't get them all right - but for me, we have tried the route of buying established names - and it has been hit and miss - but more miss.
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Let's just use our cl winning team

Established 

Timo, kai, Chilwell, Kante, jorgi, rudi, silva

Cobham

Mount, james

Non established 

Mendy, azpi

 
Bob stark said:
Let's just use our cl winning team

Established 

Timo, kai, Chilwell, Kante, jorgi, rudi, silva

Cobham

Mount, james

Non established 

Mendy, azpi
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Yep - they had their moment.

But As much as I love Timo, he has proven consistently to not be a top forward.

I think we got rid of Kai too soon

Chilly and Kante were/are injury prone

Jorgi was good at the limited game he played - but not dynamic enough

 
Remodez said:
Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 
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Yes. It's a great shame that there is no ambition any longer for the club to have a George, Richards , Acheampong, Rak Sakhi, etc break through. The issueof course will be where are the next batch coming from.

 
Remodez said:
Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 
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Not to be really cynical, but any moderately-flashy English-born attacking talent is going to sell for far more profit than even a hyped-up South American teenager. If Estevao Willian was Steven Williams he'd set a British record transfer fee.  

 
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