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harrysgame said:
Skinheads were racist in the 60s early 70s, as was society in genral in those days. Think back to "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Til Death Us Do Part". People would think nothing of calling someone a N*gger or P*ki. Plus not all revival skinheads were racist either. Most i knew and know now couldn't give a toss about politics.

The Headhunters had their racist element as did most firms in those days and firms these days are no different. But to tar them all with the same brush is wrong. IMHO.
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I can only go by what I experienced of skinheads in the late 60's, and the vast majority of the ones I knew weren't racist - there were black skinheads in various gangs back then too. Obviously there would have been racists around among skinheads back then, as in all walks of society, but it was a far bigger problem in the late 70's/early 80's. Just my opinion though, and I'm not for one moment suggesting that all of the second generation of skins were racist.

 
Is it just me who finds this talk a bit cringey? Talking about the good old days when we'd have a good punch up. I mean not everyone was racist, so it's okay, right?

 
I guess it probably makes people feel a bit better about themselves, knowing their not the only one who's a racist thug

 
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blizeH said:
Is it just me who finds this talk a bit cringey? Talking about the good old days when we'd have a good punch up. I mean not everyone was racist, so it's okay, right?
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This thread is titled 'The Headhunters'. If you don't like the subject, why the f*ck are you reading the posts?

I don't know how old you are, but as I've already explained, in the late 60's/early 70's racism was rife but most skinhead groups (at least in South London) were multi-racial. Why have you got a problem with that? In the late 70's the racism was even worse - nobody is condoning that so far as I can see, so what is your problem?

And if you think I'm a racist thug, then may I suggest you PM Loz, who knows me pretty well, he'll put you straight.

Speaking personally for my time in the 70's, early 80's - Thug, yeah, probably - Racist, never!

Now f*ck off and find something else to protest about, you clueless c*nt.

 
Do not find this topic at all cringey, everything on here has been experienced as part of following Chelsea.

Keep the posts coming, if people do not want to read it apply self censorship.

 
blizeH said:
A self confessed thug, and posts like this - stay classy BlueBeard.
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I use the word thug because you called us older Chelsea fans 'racist thugs'.

Yes, I got involved in terrace battles during the 70's and early 80's, fighting against other blokes who also wanted to fight. It's not something I'm proud of, but I'm certainly not ashamed of it either. Thousands of Chelsea fans did exactly the same thing, and every club in the land had their fair share of 'hooligans'.

And before you start bleating on about how we were all 'thugs', just remember that most of the songs that are sung at Chelsea nowadays were originally sung by the self-same 'thugs', yet sanctimonious cretins like you probably join in and enjoy it. I remember standing under the Shed and listening to new Chelsea songs being born, songs that you probably know and love - created by the 'thugs' that you hate so much.

If that makes you more classy than me, then I'm happy to stay the way I am you judgemental prick.

 
Yet again, you're using the "other people did it to" to try and justify the completely unnecessary violence. If that makes you feel better about yourself, then so be it.

For me, it's a dark side to football that I'm glad to see the back of, and certainly not something to be thought of as the 'good old days'.

 
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blizeH said:
Yet again, you're using the "other people did it to" to try and justify the completely unnecessary violence. If that makes you feel better about yourself, then so be it.

For me, it's a dark side to football that I'm glad to see the back of, and certainly not something to be thought of as the 'good old days'.
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I'll ask you again, why are you reading this thread if you hate the subject so much?

And I'm not trying to use anything to justify the violence - I enjoyed it, we all did.

I wonder if you ever went to away games in the 70's? I can recall many times where people like you were begging us 'thugs' to protect them from the violent home fans - which we did for a while. But having been saved from being victims of violence by us 'thugs', they still looked upon us as scum, so eventually they were told to f*ck off and deal with the problem themselves, the ungrateful c*nts.

You have a lot to say on a subject you seem to know nothing about, but if that makes you feel better, then so be it.

 
(snip, not worth it, I'm out)

 
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You tell him bluebeard that's just the way it was back then get over it like it or not its part of our history. Mickey greenaway wasn't a thug but got labelled one by the media. I dnt see the point of violence.anymore the punishment is to serious to risk it. I got my nose fractured at Celtic v Chelsea a few years back by a policeman so what get over it its life. Bluebeard did u travel on the away train specials?

 
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You tell him bluebeard that's just the way it was back then get over it like it or not its part of our history. Mickey greenaway wasn't a thug but got labelled one by the media. I dnt see the point of violence.anymore the punishment is to serious to risk it. I got my nose fractured at Celtic v Chelsea a few years back by a policeman so what get over it its life. Bluebeard did u travel on the away train specials?
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Many many times, mate - worst trains ever!

 
blizeH said:
Yet again, you're using the "other people did it to" to try and justify the completely unnecessary violence. If that makes you feel better about yourself, then so be it.

For me, it's a dark side to football that I'm glad to see the back of, and certainly not something to be thought of as the 'good old days'.
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Ok. First thing to say is that you can't have a full understanding of what it was like in those days unless you were there. Going to away games was often a dangerous occupation. So it's not so much that "other people did it" is an excuse but that sticking together was a matter of safety and survival. I've been caught on my own a few times, not least at White Hart Lane (not the game I wrote about elsewhere but another occasion, details of which I don't currently wish to go into). Let's just say I was very very lucky to get home in one piece. And that was a common enough experience.

There was a racist element undeniably, but this was a societal problem. Just as there were racist policemen, racist landlords, racist employers, racism was far more widespread back then. Is this a justification? No of course it's not. Despite what Thatcher and her sycophants would have had you believe, football supporters were a part of society and as such would have reflected that society.

Dark days? Sorry I have to disagree with you again. Imagine the situation. You're a young lad, in your teens or early twenties, going to an strange town every other weekend. You look forward, not only to the match, but to the events surrounding the match, with anticipation. And no wonder, there was an incredible sense of adventure about going away. I'm not talking solely about the violence here by any means. Violence was something that happened, in some ways it was incidental, sometimes unavoidable. More so it about having the craic. Having a laugh with your mates is what it was all about. Maybe you'd meet a girl, stay for a night out, even the weekend.

There were a few dark days to be sure, but the same could be said of any walk of life. Highs and lows, it's what happens. But when I look back, even without the rose blue tint of nostalgia, I can honestly say that overall I had a bloody fantastic time.

 
Tommy Docherty said:
Ok. First thing to say is that you can't have a full understanding of what it was like in those days unless you were there. Going to away games was often a dangerous occupation. So it's not so much that "other people did it" is an excuse but that sticking together was a matter of safety and survival. I've been caught on my own a few times, not least at White Hart Lane (not the game I wrote about elsewhere but another occasion, details of which I don't currently wish to go into). Let's just say I was very very lucky to get home in one piece. And that was a common enough experience.

There was a racist element undeniably, but this was a societal problem. Just as there were racist policemen, racist landlords, racist employers, racism was far more widespread back then. Is this a justification? No of course it's not. Despite what Thatcher and her sycophants would have had you believe, football supporters were a part of society and as such would have reflected that society.

Dark days? Sorry I have to disagree with you again. Imagine the situation. You're a young lad, in your teens or early twenties, going to an strange town every other weekend. You look forward, not only to the match, but to the events surrounding the match, with anticipation. And no wonder, there was an incredible sense of adventure about going away. I'm not talking solely about the violence here by any means. Violence was something that happened, in some ways it was incidental, sometimes unavoidable. More so it about having the craic. Having a laugh with your mates is what it was all about. Maybe you'd meet a girl, stay for a night out, even the weekend.

There were a few dark days to be sure, but the same could be said of any walk of life. Highs and lows, it's what happens. But when I look back, even without the rose blue tint of nostalgia, I can honestly say that overall I had a bloody fantastic time.
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Great shout TD, yours as well BB, and as you said you really had to have been there to have any idea what it was like. You didn't need to be a hooligan as every now and then the trouble would find you and it was a case of defend yourself or lay down and take a shoeing. I used to love the old football specials, games of 9 card brag that went on for hours, Youngers tartan or whatever your firewater of choice happened to be purchased at 5 finger discount in the station off license, DH or Babs walking through the train giving a pre match pep talk that usually went something along the lines of "Anyone who runs answers to me on the way home" and the buzz of getting off of the train in a town you didn't know and raising the roof just to let the locals know you'd arrived, great days.

 
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