Tommy Tuchel - England Manager

Listen to a few clips on talksport one guy called said he’s done with England😂😂

He said he’s loves the make up of the country “but” this is where he draws the line. A foreigner leading England men’s team that’s a line too far.😂😂😂
It's funny really, because in the past 24 hours, the ones that have been very pro foreigner over the years are suddenly very anti foreigner when it comes to being the manager of the English football team, Gary Lineker for example 😆

Another funny thing is that the women's England manager is Dutch, and nobody is saying anything about that.

 
That wasn't my point 
I think I did not explain my point correctly. 

My point is that, it is not coaching quality issue. Imo, that is overblown. Are Fuentes and scaloni top coach? 

In term of England coaching ladder, it does not exist because PL is super competitive and have tons of money. 

 
I think I did not explain my point correctly. 

My point is that, it is not coaching quality issue. Imo, that is overblown. Are Fuentes and scaloni top coach? 

In term of England coaching ladder, it does not exist because PL is super competitive and have tons of money. 
Then there's the option of going abroad.

Neville, Lampard and Gerrard all had big/biggish jobs where if successful they'd have "broken in" to the matrix of being attractive for top jobs. Roy had a chance at Liverpool, Allardyce was given a shot at Newcastle, Howe now has a job and quality of players that gives him a chance to dine at the top level for the rest of his career, Potter had a big chance here, Sherwood had time at Spurs to either gain the permanent job or put himself in the shop window.

The opportunities have been there for English managers, they just haven't been taken.

 
Then there's the option of going abroad.

Neville, Lampard and Gerrard all had big/biggish jobs where if successful they'd have "broken in" to the matrix of being attractive for top jobs. Roy had a chance at Liverpool, Allardyce was given a shot at Newcastle, Howe now has a job and quality of players that gives him a chance to dine at the top level for the rest of his career, Potter had a big chance here, Sherwood had time at Spurs to either gain the permanent job or put himself in the shop window.

The opportunities have been there for English managers, they just haven't been taken.
This. This is it in a nutshell. Lampard [for instance] was an exceptional player and as a manager he was [is] "above average".  Same for Gerrard. And because we want a top English coach, doesn't mean that we shall get one. Has there been one since Brian Clough? Bearing in mind that David Moyes is Scottish and is also 'sh1t'.

 
Apologies for the rant but ive spent my lunch reading and watching the mainstream outcry to Tuchels appointment and need to let off some steam. Particularly around the usual duo of Carragher and Neville. I enjoyed their match analysis when they first started in punditry, but since they've expanded into providing wider commentary on sporting and global issues, they've gone back to being unbearable pricks. 

Lets start with Neville, who thinks that hiring Tuchel is just the worst thing that could have ever happened to English football. He proclaims that English coaching is in a crisis but goes on to state the the FA have ignored some outstanding English candidates. He also poses the question as to why would we have established St Georges Park if we are going to just hire a German. 

Well Gary, heres why mate. The concept of establishing a centre of excellence for English coaches is a solid one. Its a good start point for improving standards. However, it cannot be the only place in which knowledge and experience is passed upon these staff. In fact, it actually serves as a perfect representation of the arrogance and ignorance of our current attitude towards coaching in England. Rather than encouraging take up of coaching badges through lowering fees, incentivising and potentially even subsiding coaches to go abroad and learn about different football leagues and cultures, playing styles, attitudes and approaches, we instead believe that creating a centre of coaches, surrounded by other average coaches is the way forward. 

Other than a few exceptions, most top managers have had to do the hard graft to get there. They have had to start out in the lower divisions of other leagues, travel away from home and look to gain chances where they can. They've had to take work breaks where they visit and learn from other top coaches, spend time as assistants and craft their trade. They aren't simply 'given a chance' at a top premier league club because they used to play for United. Gary and his pals seem to be experts in the world of football management and how to fix it, yet none have achieved anything close to sucess in management. Their answers are quick fixes: "Trust Carsley with the England Job", "Give an English Man a chance at the Top" as if by some divine intervertion, simply being given an important role suddenly qualifies one to do it. 

There is one thing he is right on though. Hiring Tuchel is a damning commentary on English coaching.

But not because he should have been English but rather that it should inspire and motivate a change in approach towards bringing these coaches through. 12 years or so St Georges Park has been going and yet we have had to turn to Germany to help us try and squeeze a trophy out of yet another golden generation. But, most importantly, the FA are 100% correct in doing so. This needs to stand as a turning point so that in 10 years time, we have invested the correct time and money into supporting the development of English coaching across Europe, not in a hut in the south of England. 

Less annoyingly, Carragher takes the stance that international football should be nationality vs nationality and that it is unfair to be allowed to turn to a different nation so that the competitions are kept to "Our Best vs Yours". Its a narrative that I understand, but the reality of which becomes complex in how it would work, given the desire to want to promote football in less traditional/economically powerful nations. But this is also not something that we as a national football side should be concerned with. It is up to FIFA to decide on this and, the last time I checked, they couldn't care less what nationality the manager was. Therefore, it would be stupid of us to not exploit this given the void of talent currently available in our own pool.

My overbearing feeling towards this is that the media constantly refer to the England job as the hardest job in football yet are constantly pushing and screaming for underqualified and inexperienced English managers to enter into. I would also love for there to be an English manager that will be good enough to take the hot seat and lead us to a trophy, but obtaining this position should be the end goal of years of hard work and graft for managers that have learned their trade and earnt the position, rather than being gifted it based on their passport and industry connections. 

I really hope Tuchel does well, if only because any percieved failure will only be used as fuel for the fire these media idiots have lit, to prove that they were right all along. When the reality is, English coaches need to pull their finger out their ass so that we aren't having this conversation in 10 years time. 

 
Good post, I came away with similar feeling  The Xenophobia and hypocrisy from these two is quite astounding. they have chosen not to go down the management route themselves (one tried and he was awful)  - they should put their money and influence where their mouth instead of some cushy pundits job.

I stopped listening to Carragher ages ago, partly because can't understand a word he is saying  🙃

Spot on with the grass roots coaching, I have now moved upstairs I am chairman !  but have coached junior football now for 20 years. The FA training is good and now the level 1 (or introduction to coaching or what ever they call it these days) is pretty good and all online now so fairly accessible. However you are spot on regarding incentivising grass roots coaches to take it forward, subsidies and everything else, its really challenging for grass roots clubs.   We have always been a bit backward thinking as a nation in these areas.

(Don't get me on Refs coaching either, subject for another day!) 

 
Last time people managed to channel it into something funny as well (and these are two guys who more recently wrote a song about Nigel Farage):



 
Apologies for the rant but ive spent my lunch reading and watching the mainstream outcry to Tuchels appointment and need to let off some steam. Particularly around the usual duo of Carragher and Neville. I enjoyed their match analysis when they first started in punditry, but since they've expanded into providing wider commentary on sporting and global issues, they've gone back to being unbearable pricks. 

Lets start with Neville, who thinks that hiring Tuchel is just the worst thing that could have ever happened to English football. He proclaims that English coaching is in a crisis but goes on to state the the FA have ignored some outstanding English candidates. He also poses the question as to why would we have established St Georges Park if we are going to just hire a German. 

Well Gary, heres why mate. The concept of establishing a centre of excellence for English coaches is a solid one. Its a good start point for improving standards. However, it cannot be the only place in which knowledge and experience is passed upon these staff. In fact, it actually serves as a perfect representation of the arrogance and ignorance of our current attitude towards coaching in England. Rather than encouraging take up of coaching badges through lowering fees, incentivising and potentially even subsiding coaches to go abroad and learn about different football leagues and cultures, playing styles, attitudes and approaches, we instead believe that creating a centre of coaches, surrounded by other average coaches is the way forward. 

Other than a few exceptions, most top managers have had to do the hard graft to get there. They have had to start out in the lower divisions of other leagues, travel away from home and look to gain chances where they can. They've had to take work breaks where they visit and learn from other top coaches, spend time as assistants and craft their trade. They aren't simply 'given a chance' at a top premier league club because they used to play for United. Gary and his pals seem to be experts in the world of football management and how to fix it, yet none have achieved anything close to sucess in management. Their answers are quick fixes: "Trust Carsley with the England Job", "Give an English Man a chance at the Top" as if by some divine intervertion, simply being given an important role suddenly qualifies one to do it. 

There is one thing he is right on though. Hiring Tuchel is a damning commentary on English coaching.

But not because he should have been English but rather that it should inspire and motivate a change in approach towards bringing these coaches through. 12 years or so St Georges Park has been going and yet we have had to turn to Germany to help us try and squeeze a trophy out of yet another golden generation. But, most importantly, the FA are 100% correct in doing so. This needs to stand as a turning point so that in 10 years time, we have invested the correct time and money into supporting the development of English coaching across Europe, not in a hut in the south of England. 

Less annoyingly, Carragher takes the stance that international football should be nationality vs nationality and that it is unfair to be allowed to turn to a different nation so that the competitions are kept to "Our Best vs Yours". Its a narrative that I understand, but the reality of which becomes complex in how it would work, given the desire to want to promote football in less traditional/economically powerful nations. But this is also not something that we as a national football side should be concerned with. It is up to FIFA to decide on this and, the last time I checked, they couldn't care less what nationality the manager was. Therefore, it would be stupid of us to not exploit this given the void of talent currently available in our own pool.

My overbearing feeling towards this is that the media constantly refer to the England job as the hardest job in football yet are constantly pushing and screaming for underqualified and inexperienced English managers to enter into. I would also love for there to be an English manager that will be good enough to take the hot seat and lead us to a trophy, but obtaining this position should be the end goal of years of hard work and graft for managers that have learned their trade and earnt the position, rather than being gifted it based on their passport and industry connections. 

I really hope Tuchel does well, if only because any percieved failure will only be used as fuel for the fire these media idiots have lit, to prove that they were right all along. When the reality is, English coaches need to pull their finger out their ass so that we aren't having this conversation in 10 years time. 
Outstanding post Niall. Bang on, on all points.

 
I wish all the best to TT. But I don't wish any success to team England. Especially now when people in England are openly talking about the choice of manager not being English. Sorry but you lot don't deserve a man and a manager like Tuchel 

 
Help pls, don't fully understand the national league format.

Does this mean it may be better for us (in rgds to the world cup) to come second in the current grp and play the "play-offs" to end up in the top grp!?

If England beat Greece and then finish top of their Uefa Nations League group, Tuchel's opening matches in March will be either World Cup qualifiers or friendlies, depending on the size of their qualifying group. If they finish second, England will instead face a two-leg play-off and a potential return to the top tier of the Uefa Nations League.

 
Other changes I'd like to see is bringing back the back pass rule and banning heading.  I think that will spread the game a bit more.  As Michael Owen said, he preferred the sport back in the day.  I want to see more long passing from midfielders.  Also, if it would be ball to hand or ball to face/head it'll be play-on, if a player hasn't obviously attacked the ball with his/her hand or head it won't be a penalty or a free-kick.   

 
A few surprises (both who is included, and who has been left out) in his first England squad :

Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Southampton), James Trafford (Burnley)

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle United), Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Reece James (Chelsea), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Tino Livramento (Newcastle United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Kyle Walker (AC Milan, loan from Manchester City)

Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Jordan Henderson (A**x), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa)

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Marcus Rashford (Aston Villa, loan from Manchester United), Dominic Solanke (Tottenham Hotspur)

 
Morgan Gibbs-White couldn’t be doing any more at the minute to be considered, so a little surprised by that, and Connor, to an extent.

 
This reminds me of when he took over us and picked the old regulars to begin with before giving chances to other players. It upset people at the time (and I was one of them) but it worked out in the end. I do hope this is the case this time too because it's time to move on from Henderson (Gallagher should take his spot) and Walker.

I'm happy for James that he got in, but I'm still worried. It feels too soon. Watkins shouldn't have been left out though, we need to move on from Kane eventually.

 
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