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We are spending a lot of money on really young players with very little experience. It’s making me a little nervous if I’m honest. Would be nice to spend some of this cash on 2 or 3 more seasoned players. Not sure how this is going to work out, but I really hope it does! 

 
hephzibah said:
When you do not support your players all through the season, and you say they are not good, you are going to sell them at cheap prices.
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I can think of many things that would determine a players value, however I can safely say what fans are saying in a backstreet pub or their mums basement via twitter won't come remotely close to being one of them.

 
Huge talent but still very young, and a big fee. 

He's an interceptions monster from what I've seen and know about him, loves a tackle. 

I'd be happy to give him a go in the first team honestly. 

Kids fc! 

 
A close friend of mine is a big Rennes fan, waiting to hear back from him to share a detailed analysis. 

 
Gordon Bennett said:
Calm down mate. They've done nothing much as of yet.
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i mean their value has increased due to their performances in international tournaments and for Santos, making his full Brazil debut

i didn't talk about their achievements at chelsea

 
azpi28 said:
to be fair Santos and Casadei have proven to be great talents and have significantly risen in value since we bought them. 
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And how do you arrive at that conclusion. Who has tabled a bid more than what we bought them for or indeed paid for them at higher sums? 

Caicedo is valued at £100m according to reports and if we succeed with an £80m bid then that's what he is worth. 

So valuations are helpful but true value is decided on the agreed transactional fee and even at that in an inflated market, it's not the case. 

 
El regreso said:
This is the long term project the club wanted so the sooner fans accept that the easier it will be for you ladies and gents. 

I rather this than spending what is considered standard amount of money now for us whenever we go in for a half decent player who’s had one good season. Every clubs wants £65+ million now from us.
Didn’t some fans always moan why we aren’t finding uncut diamonds yet when the club does try and do that some fans are moaning.

I could only imagine the uproar had we signed Kante from France he would’ve stood a chance with some fans.
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Well said, a lot have forgotten that Boehly can’t sell Chelsea until 2032 so he has time to build over the next 5 years. 

 
BordeauxBlue said:
A close friend of mine is a big Rennes fan, waiting to hear back from him to share a detailed analysis. 
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Be interested to know. Worries me that we be getting a Bakayoko 2.0. Won't be able to fly in in the PL. He will have to have good timing if he is going to be on the front feet here. Fingers crossed that we have got this one right.

 
abister1 said:
And how do you arrive at that conclusion. Who has tabled a bid more than what we bought them for or indeed paid for them at higher sums? 

Caicedo is valued at £100m according to reports and if we succeed with an £80m bid then that's what he is worth. 

So valuations are helpful but true value is decided on the agreed transactional fee and even at that in an inflated market, it's not the case. 
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making your senior debut for Brazil at 19 years old and winning the Golden Ball and topscorer of the FIFA U-20 World Cup would increase the value of a player in a general sense. Maybe the word that should be used is stature. It won't matter the value of a player until we sell him. 

we didn't know sh*t about Casadei when we signed him

that's the only point i'm making

in that sense the talent ID so far has been decent, also Paez had a great world cup after we signed him and he made his senior debut 

 
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Judging by our transfer strategy im convinced jeffrey epstein is alive and running our club 🙄

 
Simple. 

Give the kid a long contract which will amortise longer hence instead of 25M in 4 years (6.25M a year) we are probably giving him a 8 year contract (3.12M a year) 

1) we have excellent resale value

2) If it doesn't work out we can get rid and he wont be on high wages

From a business standpoint it is a no brainer. 

Yes 25M is high but

1) we are chelsea and we have shown the world we have money (lots of it) 

2) we need midfielders and am pretty sure there is a bidding war for this guy

Opta stats show he is very similar to Lavia (50M) so calm down guys we are watching a youtube compilation of a 19 year old.. Give him 4 years and see what he is then. If he crap then big deal lol we got Santos n casadei breaking through

 
None of us see this guy as an alternative for Caicedo this season do we? Virtually no-one here has seen this guy play and so none of us would have the foggiest clue of what he's really worth. That consistent with the maxim, which I often see in my climate change work, that the less you know about something the stronger the opinion.

I don't think we can have the team full of 19 year olds. 22-25 average is fine. Any less its not serious. But actually the average isn't that bad

A notional starting 11 with Silva has an average age of 26 and excluding Silva 24. If you include a couple of the 20 year olds and maybe Madueke you might drop another year off the average. In short the team is actually, on average, maybe 1-2 years too young to wind the premier league based on historical averages but not that far off. 

 

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It's interesting that Carney is coming up for his 3rd season of premier league experience at that age. I know that preseasons are not the real thing, but I think you can see from games against Newcastle, a senior side in the champions league, and Brighton that the young guys looked competitive. It is pre season but equally this team are still developing their identity whereas Newcastle and Brighton have all been playing their system with their coach for an entire season.

I guess my point is you can still make an argument that at the transfer strategy is working and there is a fair bit of upside. I am very optimistic that Chukwumeka will be an absolute star and that Santos, Casedi and Gusto will have very solid premier league careers

 
With the completion of our pre season games approaching, and the new season only a couple of weeks away, its very hard to get your head around what this new ownership is thinking. Ofcourse signing young prospects is a sound long term strategy, but we have huge holes in our senior squad and its seeming that there is no definite urgency to get around tables and thrash these deals out one way or another, even after Pochettino has politely asked for similar.  Caicedo, lavia, Kudus, olise, seems to me priority is signing 1 of the first 2 and one of the second 2, so why are we possibly spending decent money on this rennes midfielder whilst priority signings are still hanging in the balance?  Priorities are all wrong.

 
ALTE said:
With the completion of our pre season games approaching, and the new season only a couple of weeks away, its very hard to get your head around what this new ownership is thinking. Ofcourse signing young prospects is a sound long term strategy, but we have huge holes in our senior squad and its seeming that there is no definite urgency to get around tables and thrash these deals out one way or another, even after Pochettino has politely asked for similar.  Caicedo, lavia, Kudus, olise, seems to me priority is signing 1 of the first 2 and one of the second 2, so why are we possibly spending decent money on this rennes midfielder whilst priority signings are still hanging in the balance?  Priorities are all wrong.
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Add GK to the list of holes

 
Righto, my Rennes supporting buddy has come back with this which I'll translate into English:

" Ugochukwu is made for the premier league. Like Timoue before he lost himself, but better for me. 

Strong, serene and very promising. A great pickup. "

I was thinking of great until he compared him to Bakayoko. Now I'm hoping he's just trolling me... 

Bakayoko was great a Monaco but had Fabinho carrying him, I have to hope this lad isn't a similar situation.

 
BordeauxBlue said:
Righto, my Rennes supporting buddy has come back with this which I'll translate into English:

" Ugochukwu is made for the premier league. Like Timoue before he lost himself, but better for me. 

Strong, serene and very promising. A great pickup. "

I was thinking of great until he compared him to Bakayoko. Now I'm hoping he's just trolling me... 

Bakayoko was great a Monaco but had Fabinho carrying him, I have to hope this lad isn't a similar situation.
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Oh dear, this is exactly what I was thinking when I was watching the YouTube clips. Tall player that is rapid over short distances with long legs, can't keep his hands off the opposition.  Prem players are just too cute for that.

Let's loan him to Brighton to sweeten the Caicedo deal and let them get him Prem ready.

 
Quiz time.

Who is the last Chelsea player we had named Leslie? 

 
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