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Welcome Omari Hutchinson

He is one of the players we could make profit of. We didn't pay too much of him? If we can get 20-30m of him it is a no brainer for me.

 
bisright1 said:
Young players just want to play football. I imagine Omari is delighted with how we've managed his development and that he now has a number of top flight clubs wanting to put him in their first team. 

Hazard was levels above Omari when we signed him. And importantly, we did sell him on for profit. 
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Ive wondered how young players see this, as it could possibly give them a much better route into better clubs than their current club can. Say we get a young player from Bristol, I expect their could be a limit on where he can go from there, but he comes to us, goes on loan to a better club and is in the shop window. as long as they perform its pretty much win/win for them. They either come back and get a chance with us or are on the market and wanted by good clubs.

 
DarkMata said:
What you say is true and the Hazard example may not have been the best example, but could this be a consideration for the future Paez & Willians to consider when having the biggest teams in the world all vying for their signature?  Especially if we have a massive number of players sold on for profit compared to our rivals? 
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If Paez is good enough we'd retain him. We aren't selling Omari to Man City or Madrid, we're selling him to Stuttgart or Ipswich. If Paez turns out to not be good enough for us, he's not good enough for our rivals either. And in the event City came calling and he didn't have a route to our first team, we aren't going to demand silly money, he will get out. 

The example with Omari is would he have been better going to a Brighton or West Ham? Where if they performed well the only route they have to a Chelsea level club is to be sold for 80-100m which in the case of Declan Rice meant being stuck for years until a club is confident enough to pay that amount. 

Omari could always say no, he could push back and say I want my chance at Chelsea, and we'd keep him. Chalobah and Gallagher both have gone down that route, and they still may get their exit to a big club at a fair price. 

City treat their players same as we do. It's why we now have Palmer. But if Palmer was at Brighton instead of City he'd still be there now. Instead he's playing for us in our first team. 

 
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This whole "buy while they are young" is also a chance to make profit with players. Not everyone of them is suited for our starting XI. Loan out to championship club or France with masses of game time and sell on after they make themselves some name. Omari at this moment is perfect for this. 

 
Our best bet is A**x. 

£20m would exceedingly break the transfer record for both Ipswich and Stuttgart. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Our best bet is A**x. 

£20m would exceedingly break the transfer record for both Ipswich and Stuttgart. 
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I would imagine Ipswich will break their transfer record now they are in the PL, and likely will do so on players they can sell if they go down, younger players with not so high wages, rather than 30 plus ones on big wages that would risk their financial well-being if they go down.

Stuttgart may break their record as they are in CL, and know Bayern and PL clubs are good for buying talent from Germany if they develop well. Germany seems a good league for attackers.

 
bisright1 said:
If Paez is good enough we'd retain him. We aren't selling Omari to Man City or Madrid, we're selling him to Stuttgart or Ipswich. If Paez turns out to not be good enough for us, he's not good enough for our rivals either. And in the event City came calling and he didn't have a route to our first team, we aren't going to demand silly money, he will get out. 

The example with Omari is would he have been better going to a Brighton or West Ham? Where if they performed well the only route they have to a Chelsea level club is to be sold for 80-100m which in the case of Declan Rice meant being stuck for years until a club is confident enough to pay that amount. 

Omari could always say no, he could push back and say I want my chance at Chelsea, and we'd keep him. Chalobah and Gallagher both have gone down that route, and they still may get their exit to a big club at a fair price. 

City treat their players same as we do. It's why we now have Palmer. But if Palmer was at Brighton instead of City he'd still be there now. Instead he's playing for us in our first team. 
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I'm not really talking about selling the plethora of young players that have never played for us like Omari or that bigger clubs will scoop them up.  My point is would a future Paez not have to at least put our model into consideration when weighing up the positives and negatives of signing?  With many clubs vying for the same players little things could sway it either way.  Yeah it's all good business and as you say some may see it as a gate way to bigger things but in the end I don't really care for players that are just here profit making, what I do care about is the actual Chelsea team.   The next young Mbappe turning us down because of their belief they might not be given the opportunity to prove themselves given our reputation is a possibility. 

We've been well known for the loan army for years now so might not matter too much but given are whole model now revolves around young players we still need to be attractive to the youth players.  

As for Hutchinson himself I personally would like to give him a chance, don't think Mudryk or Madueke have shown enough to say he couldn't compete.  If we are interesting in signing an Olise though that would make things more difficult.  Maybe we could arrange something between the 2 clubs.

 
Niall1905 said:
Doubt that ever happens to be honest, footballs different to how it used to be. The players and their agents know that a youth set up as effective as ours is good to be around, wether you are going to make it at the club or not. Yes, im sure all parties would have liked a scenario where things went well and he broke into our first team but this is hardly a disaster for anyone. I'd go as far as saying its the type of success story you would dangle in front of new talent e.g We give you x y and z chance of getting into our team with this pathway but if things dont go well, look how good the 'failure' scenario is.

Omari has spent a year with the academy, we've picked out a decent loan for him which will likely lead to him getting a first division transfer (England or Europe). Ultimately, thats a success for him. He's got his foot in the door at the top of professional football and, if he's as good as im sure he and those close to him believe he is, he can then kick on and show that with regular football.
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If he's as good as those close to him believe he is, then why are we going to sell him ?

Oh I forgot, it's not about football talent it's about trying to comply with PSR after record spending 

 
Here we go again.

Another player who isn't got enough for us 

And he happens to be pure profit. 

 
I swear if he was actually an Ipswich player who wanted to move to us, we would snap him up.

This is nothing to do with how good or not a player is...

 
The Rising Sun said:
I swear if he was actually an Ipswich player who wanted to move to us, we would snap him up.

This is nothing to do with how good or not a player is...
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Tosin is going to have to be some player cause when it comes to making profit next summer guess who's going to get sold?

 
DarkMata said:
How long before players refuse to sign for us because of this?  
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In short I think this strengthens our hand at signing young players, noy weakens it.

Why? Because while while ideal is a career at Chelsea, becoming the next Drogba, Lampard or Terry,  earning huge wages and being part of a glorious trophy winning side, that is not reality for most who come in, and it was not under Roman either.

However what they do get is one of the best youth setups in the world. Top class facilities, top coaches. 

The more loans like Omaris, and if that leads to a transfer to top league, will show they can make a good career for themselves by spending a few years here.

 
axman2526 said:
In short I think this strengthens our hand at signing young players, noy weakens it.

Why? Because while while ideal is a career at Chelsea, becoming the next Drogba, Lampard or Terry,  earning huge wages and being part of a glorious trophy winning side, that is not reality for most who come in, and it was not under Roman either.

However what they do get is one of the best youth setups in the world. Top class facilities, top coaches. 

The more loans like Omaris, and if that leads to a transfer to top league, will show they can make a good career for themselves by spending a few years here.
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I am not sure that was fully the point that @DarkMata was making. My interpretation of his original post was that if I was Angelo Gabriel's parents seeing their son being packed off to another country to play for the great Chelsea side, whether first team or Reserves (PL2) i'd be made up for the lad. I would have a completely different outlook if he was then immediately shipped out to another country altogether to play for a side that i probably have barely heard of. That could alter my opinion. 

Its all well and good mining the South American youth leagues for youngsters but presumably the USP these scouts are offering is the chance to play for Chelsea in the biggest league in the world. Not come to the Chelsea farm, we'll bounce you off to other clubs and leagues for a couple of seasons and then sell you for profit so you'll probably never get near the club.

 
Niall1905 said:
Doubt that ever happens to be honest, footballs different to how it used to be. The players and their agents know that a youth set up as effective as ours is good to be around, wether you are going to make it at the club or not. Yes, im sure all parties would have liked a scenario where things went well and he broke into our first team but this is hardly a disaster for anyone. I'd go as far as saying its the type of success story you would dangle in front of new talent e.g We give you x y and z chance of getting into our team with this pathway but if things dont go well, look how good the 'failure' scenario is.

Omari has spent a year with the academy, we've picked out a decent loan for him which will likely lead to him getting a first division transfer (England or Europe). Ultimately, thats a success for him. He's got his foot in the door at the top of professional football and, if he's as good as im sure he and those close to him believe he is, he can then kick on and show that with regular football.
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axman2526 said:
In short I think this strengthens our hand at signing young players, noy weakens it.

Why? Because while while ideal is a career at Chelsea, becoming the next Drogba, Lampard or Terry,  earning huge wages and being part of a glorious trophy winning side, that is not reality for most who come in, and it was not under Roman either.

However what they do get is one of the best youth setups in the world. Top class facilities, top coaches. 

The more loans like Omaris, and if that leads to a transfer to top league, will show they can make a good career for themselves by spending a few years here.
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This.

It's basically very similar as "talent agencies", footballers are talent.

I worked 12 years in media, mostly news, political and current affairs but i did my last stretch in entertainment,  a bit of a wind down, lol.

A young model, actor, etc if recruited by one of the top agencies in the world then has so many more doors open to them as they have had the training, Professionalism, class, etc at that top agency. If they arent the best talent and jobs/contracts are few and far apart then any mid agency would take them as they've had the best training (coaching) and they must have had some talent to get in to begin with anyway. They can then go to an agency (club) which can then focus more on them as they would be one of their top stars compared to being just "one of the rest" in the top agency that they just left. It's a win-win and tbh happens in most industries, if you break down what they are doing, especially if they invest in ppl or a skill, etc...From acting to football to finance.

I.e. A post grad from Russell grp will always be top of the pile compared to someone educated via Open University. 

Also the reason why I feel jacksons comments are a bit harsh by some. 

To score and assist more than Drogba, in his first season in a new country, league with no "education" is not bad at all. He's even younger than Drogba was, doesn't put his head down and only wore boots from the age of 16. Have you ever played football barefoot? It's not easy, hard to get used to and fkn hurts soo much with the smallest mistake. Must have taken him a year or two to get used to not running with his toes up.

 
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Simplymo said:
and only wore boots from the age of 16. Have you ever played football barefoot? It's not easy, hard to get used to and fkn hurts soo much with the smallest mistake. Must have taken him a year or two to get used to not running with his toes up.
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serves him right for being one of those tie dye, flower power, one love hippies.... they also always go around bare foot all the time. 

Imagine how gross his feet must be...bet he doesn't have a page on wikifeet....

 
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nonotnowjim said:
serves him right for being one of those tie dye, flower power, one love hippies.... they also always go around bare foot all the time. 

Imagine how gross his feet must be...bet he doesn't have a page on wikifeet....
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Lol, I haven't heard that phrase "flower-power" in ages. Made me smile. Hahaha.

It was a heartwarming story...his mum bought him his first pair on his 16th birthday.

 
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