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Will we, or any team, ever be able to overthrow Guardiola's City?

Haaland cost way more than 60m. 

It is possible as Pool has overthrown city and went toe to toe with City for many years. 

But as long as city owner kept pumping the money in, they will always be one of the best team. Their transfer so far has been riddiculously spot on. Spent big on big gun, spent little on supporting player. 

The funny part about pep is that most people think Pep is  about all fluid offensive football whereas he is always been very pragmatic/defensive in his approach. 

 
SydneyChelsea said:
Yes, because as much as people hate the guy here, Guardiola is what makes City "work" and he, by his own admission, has a limited shelf life there. For all the money they have spent and the infrastructure they have developed, they have also been fortunate to have taken advantage of historically weak rivals and been a non-factor in the Champions League until very recently.

Guardiola has repeatedly said that he will not renew his contract at City after it runs down, so there is a hard time limit on their current success. Given there are a bunch of big clubs going through instability right now, it also means City's eventual replacement will come from slim pickings, most likely a hope that Arteta or Kompany can take over. 

Despite the media hype, Man City's season is precariouisly poised. They are two bad games (CL SF and Arsenal match) away from having a disaster of season. Guardiola doesn't have another European heartbreak in him after 2021, and I'm almost certain he'll walk away early if City fail this season.

The problem for other clubs is actually that Chelsea have set a much higher standard for winning the league, and created a template that City and Liverpool improved upon. Whereas Conte's Chelsea were lauded for our 13 game winning streak as being unprecedented, every title winner since then has managed a 15+ game winning streak - this season being an exception. 
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I don't think they have a disaster season. In fact it kinda went the way most people expected. 

They signed a big player who doesn't fit the way they played last year hence there was adaptation period. You can see pep tinkered his team slowly to find the best solution (kinda similar to last season though, pep said he wanted his team to play slower, this season it is the other way around) 

 
coco said:
Yeah of course it's possible to overthrow them, history books show us it happens to the best, and we should know, the same thing was said in 03/04 about Arsenal Invincibles, so in 04/05 we went and found the right manager and brought in a dozen new players, and we overthrew them, and some.
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We tried that again recently, didn’t quite work out.

 
just said:
Hang on Drogba. As you and others said, Bayern are absolutely nailed on to win the CL now that Tuchel is manager.
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He`s done a great job at Munich so far, just took them out of 2 of the 3 trophies they were in for. Genius.

 
City are doing an amazing job bringing in young guys into their system. Haaland, Foden, Alvarez, etc. I reckon they'll continue to buy the young prized horse whenever they become available to help with the aging guys. KDB will be a big loss but I think they'll be fine.

They may certainly have some down years and not always be PL champs, but it's not going to be easy for any team to overthrow them. They're too good and too rich with good young players.

 
Have to applaud City for not paying stupid money for that clown from Brighton. They also got good money for Sterling, Jesus and Zinchenko.

 
It’s interesting to see the assumed permanence about City. Not that long ago that it was a nothing club. Their time will come 

 
They already cemented themselves as one of the best PL squads in history so that achievement will be very hard to top.

But once KDB gets old they will get affected by it, he alone made them reach the top 3% many times. It's simply not going to be the same, it wasn't the same for us when we lost Lampard either.

 
Gol15 said:
They already cemented themselves as one of the best PL squads in history so that achievement will be very hard to top.

But once KDB gets old they will get affected by it, he alone made them reach the top 3% many times. It's simply not going to be the same, it wasn't the same for us when we lost Lampard either.
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They won the league on the bounce the 2019 season when KDB was out for at least 75% of it. 

They are a finely tuned operation that have cooked their books for the past decade. Like I said in the first page, they are simply too far gone at this point in time for anyone to catch them. Things do happen in cycles but for every league title City miss out on they will go and win 2-3 on the bounce the following seasons.

Either Pep leaves or the Premier League sanctions them. Which ever comes first. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
They won the league on the bounce the 2019 season when KDB was out for at least 75% of it. 

They are a finely tuned operation that have cooked their books for the past decade. Like I said in the first page, they are simply too far gone at this point in time for anyone to catch them. Things do happen in cycles but for every league title City miss out on they will go and win 2-3 on the bounce the following seasons.

Either Pep leaves or the Premier League sanctions them. Which ever comes first. 
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I said above something about assumed permanence of City. It seems a lot more fragile to me. I’ve found that in many walks of life - politics, markets -big turning points are preceded by a sense that [whatever the thing is that ends up breaking] is unstoppable. It’s how city looks to me now and the premier league. There’s this combination of complacency and too many things that seem unsustainable/don’t add up. I can’t help feeling something’s going to break. Don’t know when and how - whether it’s sanctions (as you suggest) or something else…politics a possibility 

 
Dean said:
I said above something about assumed permanence of City. It seems a lot more fragile to me. I’ve found that in many walks of life - politics, markets -big turning points are preceded by a sense that [whatever the thing is that ends up breaking] is unstoppable. It’s how city looks to me now and the premier league. There’s this combination of complacency and too many things that seem unsustainable/don’t add up. I can’t help feeling something’s going to break. Don’t know when and how - whether it’s sanctions (as you suggest) or something else…politics a possibility 
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Politics not a possibility unfortunately, politics ‘within’ maybe, such as change of approach in regards to choice of marketing vehicles but the UK/the west cannot afford to lose an ally in the UAE, considering Russia we can’t afford to rock the boat with more important trade/investment allies, especially of that scale. 

As for FFP/faud case, no faith whatsoever in the Premier League, UEFA would be more likely but they’ve already failed to take significant action. Brown paper bags/dodgy dealings can only explain why the European governing body didn’t bother to appeal the CAS decision, despite being strongly advised to do so by their legal team, there are figures within UEFA still puzzled by this.

 
Term_X said:
As for FFP/faud case, no faith whatsoever in the Premier League, UEFA would be more likely but they’ve already failed to take significant action. Brown paper bags/dodgy dealings can only explain why the European governing body didn’t bother to appeal the CAS decision, despite being strongly advised to do so by their legal team, there are figures within UEFA still puzzled by this.
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Huh, what is the evidence for this?

UEFA took action but were time-barred, that is a common legal procedural issue and a lucky loophole for Man City. Here is a summary of the CAS judgment. 

Besides, Man City were the ones lodging the appeal, not UEFA.

 
Term_X said:
Politics not a possibility unfortunately, politics ‘within’ maybe, such as change of approach in regards to choice of marketing vehicles but the UK/the west cannot afford to lose an ally in the UAE, considering Russia we can’t afford to rock the boat with more important trade/investment allies, especially of that scale. 

As for FFP/faud case, no faith whatsoever in the Premier League, UEFA would be more likely but they’ve already failed to take significant action. Brown paper bags/dodgy dealings can only explain why the European governing body didn’t bother to appeal the CAS decision, despite being strongly advised to do so by their legal team, there are figures within UEFA still puzzled by this.
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Fair enough. Re “west not being to able to afford losing allies” I think you may be exaggerating the clout of these nations. They need the west much more than the other way round. US now a net exporter of oil, and world’s number 1 producer. Look at how UK oil imports break down too. Also, stopping authoritarian states from owning football clubs based on objective rules that align them with democratic nations that don’t have the same “privilege” would hardly be a declaration of war. what are they gonna do exactly?

 
Sconnie Blue said:
They won the league on the bounce the 2019 season when KDB was out for at least 75% of it. 

They are a finely tuned operation that have cooked their books for the past decade. Like I said in the first page, they are simply too far gone at this point in time for anyone to catch them. Things do happen in cycles but for every league title City miss out on they will go and win 2-3 on the bounce the following seasons.

Either Pep leaves or the Premier League sanctions them. Which ever comes first. 
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Despite that, I still believe that KDB alone made them a much harder team to beat, most of the time when he's there they are basically on the next level.

 
Well since we won it with Conte only Liverpool and City have won it so I would say they can be caught because Liverpool have done it and last season City only won by a point. 

The sad thing for us is we have not really been in contention since 2016-2017.

 
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