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Antonio Rudiger

I have zero problem loaning Rudiger to TitsNHam if they guarantee him a regular start. One thing that Mourinho does proper is to organize a defense and maybe the move under Mourinho might help Rudiger and us once Rudiger comes back to us later. 

 
Scott Harris said:
I would never let one of our players go to Tottenham. If this was the other way around, they would never even consider giving us one of their players. 
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Bid for Gazzaniga or Danny Rose and that stance will go out of the window faster than a Cheetah once it's got eyeballs on it's prey. 

 
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Imran_CFC said:
Well his defensive stats are better than Rudiger's last season too, your initial statement was his best form is far better than anything Zouma and the rest of our CB's have shown all there careers, statistically that is inaccurate and Rudiger even fails the eye test. 

Zouma does look unconventional when on the ball but defensively he is the most secure CB we have. 

I actually rate Rudiger but similarly to Alonso he operates at his optimum levels whilst playing in a back 3, in a back 4 I find his decision making a littlw questionable at times. 
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Of course his stats were better than Rudiger's last season, Rugider was sh*t. Rudiger's best form is still better than Zouma's though, no matter what the stats say.

Stats aren't everything, especially when it comes to defenders playing for teams at different ends of the table. Zouma's stats were actually slightly better than Laporte's that season, and Zouma is nowhere near Laporte's level. Ben Mee was statistically better than all of them, including Van Dijk, but we all know he is worse than all of them.

 
Roman was quoted to have said that he doesn't do business with them (Spurs) by Carlton Cole years ago, hopefully none of that mindset has changed.

 
Scott Harris said:
Of course his stats were better than Rudiger's last season, Rugider was sh*t. Rudiger's best form is still better than Zouma's though, no matter what the stats say.

Stats aren't everything, especially when it comes to defenders playing for teams at different ends of the table. Zouma's stats were actually slightly better than Laporte's that season, and Zouma is nowhere near Laporte's level. Ben Mee was statistically better than all of them, including Van Dijk, but we all know he is worse than all of them.
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Zouma is just better than Rudiger defensively statistically or otherwise. 

Will have to agree to disagree 

 
haviet1 said:
I am not a fan of loans in general. 

Sure you have an emerging teenager, you want to loan him out so he can get regular play time and continue his development at a senior level.

But for a guy in his mid and late 20s, he ain't growing no more. If he's not up to the standards you need, just sell them. Sell them cheap if you have to, so you can move onward and forward.
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How much would you sell him for? How much do you think we are going to get paid for the loan? Those are the calculations the club does for players in their mid 20s and why we loan so many. 

Comments like this seem like you think loans are free. They aren't. 

 
Imran_CFC said:
Zouma is just better than Rudiger defensively statistically or otherwise. 

Will have to agree to disagree 
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I agree with Scott, I think Rudiger is a better defender and has a higher ceiling than Zouma, but Zouma is playing better and Rudiger looks like he's on a downwards trajectory so selling him over Zouma makes sense, if one of them needs to go. 

 
Scott Harris said:
I would never let one of our players go to Tottenham. If this was the other way around, they would never even consider giving us one of their players. 

I also think Rudiger is being written off too early. Even though he was very poor last season, there is still a chance he can get back to his best form, which is better than anything Christensen, Zouma and Tomori have shown in their careers so far.
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I've found Zouma more convincing than Rüdiger at any point they spent in this league simultaneously. I'm not denying Rüdiger has been a convincing CB for us at times, but Zouma has always been more reliable, focused and committed. 

The one thing Rüdiger got on Zouma is appearance. Just like pretty much any CB, Rüdiger looks sleeker and more elegant in his movement and more gifted on the ball. But with Zouma, appearances a deceiving. They are considered a limitation to his talent ceiling. I disagree. I believe Zouma is becoming a master of his craft and, if things go right, will become on the best defenders of this league. He's our main man for the future. 

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Rudiger pulling a Winston Bogarde on us. 
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On the surface its a similar situation, but not when you consider Bogarde was almost retired at 34 and long past playing for his country. Rudiger is 27 and still playing for Germany. You'd think Rudi would have left us to continue playing football elsewhere, with the World cup coming up he cannot afford a season sat on our bench as he will surely lose his place in the German team, if he hasn't already. 

 
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coco said:
On the surface its a similar situation, but not when you consider Bogarde was almost retired at 34 and long past playing for his country. Rudiger is 27 and still playing for Germany. You'd think Rudi would have left us to continue playing football elsewhere, with the World cup coming up he cannot afford a season sat on our bench as he will surely lose his place in the German team, if he hasn't already. 
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For most nations I guess this would be a problem but not when your manager is Joachim Low.

 
That would be Danny Drinkwater rather than Rudiger. And, to the best of my recollection, Bogarde was a professional who showed up for training and did not drink drive or get himself in trouble.

 
Again in the starting lineup, already had 1 header and cleared a ball.

He was involved in the first goal.

 
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Gol15 said:
Again in the starting lineup, already had 1 header and cleared a ball.

He was involved in the first goal.
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Lets hope he holds onto his place in the German team until January, the more dollar we get for him the less Marina will have to haggle for Sancho next summer.

 
coco said:
Lets hope he holds onto his place in the German team until January, the more dollar we get for him the less Marina will have to haggle for Sancho next summer.
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Do we really need Sancho when we have 2 wingers that clearly are good enough for the first team + CHO that clearly needs his chance to play? Getting Sancho might disturb our lineup, we can't keep getting key players on positions where we already have starters, it would only make it harder for Lampard to make a clear to-go starting lineup and someone won't be happy very fast...

 
Gol15 said:
Do we really need Sancho when we have 2 wingers that clearly are good enough for the first team + CHO that clearly needs his chance to play? Getting Sancho might disturb our lineup, we can't keep getting key players on positions where we already have starters, it would only make it harder for Lampard to make a clear to-go starting lineup and someone won't be happy very fast...
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We have 3 wingers with Ziyech, but 2 of them are looking a bit fragile, and the other is still a teen.

LW Pulisic/CHO and RW Sancho/Ziyech. Frank would have plenty of options with those four wingers

 
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