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Antonio Rudiger

evissy said:
The Swiss score with some absolutely idiotic defending (or lack of any effort) from our man..... Sigh. 
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He was really poor today, wasn't he.  Got away with an elbow to the face also.  Interesting to see if he starts again?

 
Somehow he is always starting for Germany but for us he isn't even on the bench. Most of what I've seen is Germany playing with the back 3, I guess they didn't do it in this most recent game though. Not sure where did it go wrong but for some reason he is still trusted in the national team...

 
LOL just saw the highlights, Havertz and Werner looked very impressive, Rudiger was atrocious. 

He's finished as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to see that bloke play again, huge decline. 

 
He is very well suited to a back 3 as he can cover space in behind the wingback due to his pace and has 2 CB's alongside him to cover the gap he leaves, in a back 4 his positioning and decision making is very questionable especially if the partnering CB is Christensen.

 
Only watched the goals but he looked pretty suspect for two of Switzerland's three goals.

Low is under increasing pressure to recall Hummels and Boatang to the national side, apparently he's decided it's time for a new phase for the German national side so has stopped calling them up... But when Rudiger is the alternative, is that really the smartest move? 

 
I'm perplexed at what is going on with Rudi.

He was our best centre back and a crowd favourite a few years ago and now its all gone wrong. I don't ever remember an outfield players fortunes changing so dramatically and quickly so early in a career. I can understand it happening at the end of a career but he's not old. 

I loved his pace and motivational body language and would still give him another chance if we had a series a injuries but it looks like we will have to sell. At this rate we'll be lucky to get £15m.

 
Argo said:
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You raise a good point although Essien was at Chelsea for 9 years and for the best part of that he performed well. From memory.

Torres was 27 when he arrived at Chelsea and never really reached the heights achieved at Liverpool. His performances were consistently below par whereas Rudi did have "it" for a while. Rudi was younger when he arrived but I do accept your point that it is not unknown for players to lose form early in their careers. 

 
Andy North said:
You raise a good point although Essien was at Chelsea for 9 years and for the best part of that he performed well. From memory.

Torres was 27 when he arrived at Chelsea and never really reached the heights achieved at Liverpool. His performances were consistently below par whereas Rudi did have "it" for a while. Rudi was younger when he arrived but I do accept your point that it is not unknown for players to lose form early in their careers. 
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Essien's Chelsea decline was the worst decline I've seen for a Chelsea player. Torres declined before he came here. Essien was absolutely elite though until he had knee surgery was it? in 2010 and after he was woeful, completely different player. 

 
Andy North said:
You raise a good point although Essien was at Chelsea for 9 years and for the best part of that he performed well. From memory.

Torres was 27 when he arrived at Chelsea and never really reached the heights achieved at Liverpool. His performances were consistently below par whereas Rudi did have "it" for a while. Rudi was younger when he arrived but I do accept your point that it is not unknown for players to lose form early in their careers. 
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The one thing all 3 had in common was none were/are particularly naturally gifted meaning once their athletic qualities waned so did their ability to impact games at this level, Alexis Sanchez is another example.

 
Slojo said:
Essien's Chelsea decline was the worst decline I've seen for a Chelsea player. Torres declined before he came here. Essien was absolutely elite though until he had knee surgery was it? in 2010 and after he was woeful, completely different player. 
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I thought Essiens problems were thigh related. He had the biggest thigh muscles I've ever seen on a footballer so any problem with them would be serious. 

 
Andy North said:
I thought Essiens problems were thigh related. He had the biggest thigh muscles I've ever seen on a footballer so any problem with them would be serious. 
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It may have been, I do remember him having knee surgery at one point though but that might have been in 2011/12. 

 
Slojo said:
It may have been, I do remember him having knee surgery at one point though but that might have been in 2011/12. 
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He had lots of little niggles, three ‘knee injuries’ and did his ACL twice, the final one was pretty much the nail in the coffin for his time at the club. 

 
Munkworth said:
He had lots of little niggles, three ‘knee injuries’ and did his ACL twice, the final one was pretty much the nail in the coffin for his time at the club. 
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What was the one he had in 2010? Just after we won the league, because after that there was a huge change in him. He just didn't look the same player at all after that and he was only 28. 

 
Slojo said:
What was the one he had in 2010? Just after we won the league, because after that there was a huge change in him. He just didn't look the same player at all after that and he was only 28. 
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Probably the second ACL. Lost his legs after that, pace & power was what he was all about. It was such a shame because he was an amazing player to have in your team. 

 
Munkworth said:
Probably the second ACL. Lost his legs after that, pace & power was what he was all about. It was such a shame because he was an amazing player to have in your team. 
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Probably affected him way more than he thought it did.

 
Shout out to Rudi who appears to have gone from being completely out of favour to 3rd choice centre back. Must have really got his head down and impressed in training. 

Thought he played alright tonight all things considered. No errors to speak of and lone criticism, along with Zouma, is that he was poor at playing at from the back only making safe, 10 yard passes that took us nowhere. 

 
Put a good performance, he seems like a real professional who keeps supporting the players and want the team to success even if it would happen without him.

He deserves to stay with us as a backup and put some pressure on Zouma. Won't be so easy because Zouma looks fantastic but it's possible.

Keep it up Rudi!

 
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