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ducavis said:
If that is true, then good luck to him. Contracts don’t work that way, and anyone you are signing on big fees will be on significant wage increase compared to what they were on at their previous clubs. That isn’t a good bargaining point.

If he leaves I am convinced we will get someone in more than capable of filling the void. Would love to see him at a Madrid/Bayern, and watch him get exposed in a back 4.
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Real will pay him 10mill per year, us no more than  7mill. Sounds like done deal. Good luck to him hopefully he stays professional for the rest of the season.

 
Sindre said:
https://theathletic.com/news/real-madrid-emerging-as-favourites-to-sign-antonio-rudiger-for-free-with-no-fresh-chelsea-talks-held/k4XIwzcBNlMv/?source=twitteruk

Looks like he'll sign a pre-contract with Real Madrid in about a month. That will be one interesting situation if we get them in the the next round in the Champions League.

This on top of the Christensen situation and injuries will probably derail our entire season. 
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It's all so very typical Chelsea isn't it? Everything falling into place, then suddenly it all comes crashing down. It's either the highest highs or the lowest lows for this club, rarely any inbetween.

 
Scott Harris said:
It's all so very typical Chelsea isn't it? Everything falling into place, then suddenly it all comes crashing down. It's either the highest highs or the lowest lows for this club, rarely any inbetween.
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Seemingly a severe lack of foresight going on again unfortunately.

Mentioned in the article that both Werner and Havertz earn about £270.000 a week. They got those contracts rather recently so obviously it's going to be difficult or impossible to play hard ball with players that's outperformed them for the last year or so. I'm all for keeping a good wage structure but ours is all over the place to begin with and not resigning Rudiger & Christensen when they've been part of the best defence in Europe up until this seems like an odd place to start anew if that's what the club is thinking with regards to wage policy.

 
Why would anyone offer those two a contract extension 12 months ago? One couldn't get a game, the other looked worse each time he played. There was a plan, renewing their contract certainly wasn't the right choice at the time. It just happen the new Manager turned their fortune around, and now they are too good for the club. Christensen looked salvageable, so let's hope the iron lady not go too tough on him. If we get another defender in, happy to let Rudiger go next month, very difficult to see a player fully focused when he's already signed up for another team.

 
icecoolguy22 said:
Why would anyone offer those two a contract extension 12 months ago? One couldn't get a game, the other looked worse each time he played. There was a plan, renewing their contract certainly wasn't the right choice at the time. It just happen the new Manager turned their fortune around, and now they are too good for the club. Christensen looked salvageable, so let's hope the iron lady not go too tough on him. If we get another defender in, happy to let Rudiger go next month, very difficult to see a player fully focused when he's already signed up for another team.
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👏.. Well said. The Rudiger one is very interesting as he is been protected by a system that hides his flaws. He is also the only CB (bar Sarr) that hasn’t been moved around in the back 4. You play him in the centre of back 3 and he will be well exposed. No way is he a £200k/w defender based on half a season.

 
icecoolguy22 said:
Why would anyone offer those two a contract extension 12 months ago? One couldn't get a game, the other looked worse each time he played. There was a plan, renewing their contract certainly wasn't the right choice at the time. It just happen the new Manager turned their fortune around, and now they are too good for the club. Christensen looked salvageable, so let's hope the iron lady not go too tough on him. If we get another defender in, happy to let Rudiger go next month, very difficult to see a player fully focused when he's already signed up for another team.
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We should have given Rudiger the 200k he wants a week ages ago. We have far less important players on more than that already so it's not going to mess up our wage structure as it's already messed up.

It's a few extra millions over the course of a contract. Replacing him outright when we get no money for him? Going to cost a fortune. Let's say we buy Kounde for his £77 million release clause, then wages on top of that and you have no guarantees he'll work out either. So that's a £100 million + gamble instead of investing a bit more in someone who we know can perform in our current system.

 
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Sindre said:
We should have given Rudiger the 200k he wants a week ages ago. We have far less important players on more than that already so it's not going to mess up our wage structure as it's already messed up.

It's a few extra millions over the course of a contract. Replacing him outright when we get no money for him? Going to cost a fortune. Let's say we buy Kounde for his £77 million release clause, then wages on top of that and you have no guarantees he'll work out either. So that's a £100 million + gamble instead of investing a bit more in someone who we know can perform in our current system.
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Bang on, somehow we've managed to end up with four defenders all out of contract at the same time and able to sign pre contracts in under a month with new clubs. This could destabilize our whole season whilst knocking value from the club. Hopefully a suitable compromise is made that benefits all parties pdq.

 
charierre said:
Bang on, somehow we've managed to end up with four defenders all out of contract at the same time and able to sign pre contracts in under a month with new clubs. This could destabilize our whole season whilst knocking value from the club. Hopefully a suitable compromise is made that benefits all parties pdq.
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Or it could be the dawn of a new era ? A chance for us to get two defenders who can play in a back four.

 
charierre said:
Bang on, somehow we've managed to end up with four defenders all out of contract at the same time and able to sign pre contracts in under a month with new clubs. This could destabilize our whole season whilst knocking value from the club. Hopefully a suitable compromise is made that benefits all parties pdq.
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At this moment, there is a good chance that all 4 will leave too. That will set us back a few years. Finding one replacement is hard enough, but 4? That isn't happening in one transfer window and even if by some miracle we did replace them all, the chances of them all being a success and adapting instantly are very very slim. We would have to be in the market for a RB too seeing as Azpi is both a backup RB and backup CB.

I naively believed we were starting to build something great with this group. It felt like everything was falling into place. I should have learned from past experiences though. If there is one club that loves to shot themselves in the foot when things are going great, it is our club.

Football changes quickly they say, well it certainly does with Chelsea football club. We are a club that can go from euphoria to pessimism within a week. This club plays havoc with our mental state 😆

 
Sindre said:
We should have given Rudiger the 200k he wants a week ages ago. We have far less important players on more than that already so it's not going to mess up our wage structure as it's already messed up.

It's a few extra millions over the course of a contract. Replacing him outright when we get no money for him? Going to cost a fortune. Let's say we buy Kounde for his £77 million release clause, then wages on top of that and you have no guarantees he'll work out either. So that's a £100 million + gamble instead of investing a bit more in someone who we know can perform in our current system.
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What would you consider ages ago? Ages ago he was badly injured, didn't play for a long time and making us say "Wait til Rudi is back, then our defense will improve massively". Return he did, but was woeful and the mutterings of moving him PDQ emerged. If we had offered him that huge contract then, internet would have combusted. It's only since Tuchel Rüdiger has improved, but not exactly from day 1. 

 
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Rudi's agent must have been rubbing his hands together at least night's defensive performance. 

Think a few people at the club might be rethinking whether Tony is worth £200k. 

 
Valerie said:
What would you consider ages ago? Ages ago he was badly injured, didn't play for a long time and making us say "Wait til Rudi is back, then our defense will improve massively". Return he did, but was woeful and the mutterings of moving him PDQ emerged. If we had offered him that huge contract then, internet would have combusted. 
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Ages ago was probably the wrong wording. But certainly shortly after our CL-win I believe we should have given him that. And gone into this season with that issue resolved.

Now we are staring down the barrel of losing our entire defence. Christensen/Azpi - Silva - Rudiger formed the best defence in Europe. To lose two of them now and T.Silva either now or in a year would be disasterous in my view. Certainly for a club with ambitions.
When we for the first time in about 16 years have the best defence in Europe again we should surely do everything in our power to keep that defence intact?

 
Sindre said:
Seemingly a severe lack of foresight going on again unfortunately.

Mentioned in the article that both Werner and Havertz earn about £270.000 a week. They got those contracts rather recently so obviously it's going to be difficult or impossible to play hard ball with players that's outperformed them for the last year or so. I'm all for keeping a good wage structure but ours is all over the place to begin with and not resigning Rudiger & Christensen when they've been part of the best defence in Europe up until this seems like an odd place to start anew if that's what the club is thinking with regards to wage policy.
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It's not unique to us, the same problem is happening with Mbappe, Pogba etc.

Wenger predicted a while back that this would start to happen.

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Rudi's agent must have been rubbing his hands together at least night's defensive performance. 

Think a few people at the club might be rethinking whether Tony is worth £200k. 
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Well it certainly is a help for those talks with Real after how poor he was at West ham.

Long term I am not concerned if both Christensen and Rudiger leave. They are both vastly overrated and protected by the system and having Kante, Kova and Jorgi ahead of them.

Take away that midfield and see how poor AC was last night. Take away Chilwell to help him see how poor Toni was at West ham.

Whether it is Levi Colwill and Mbuyamba or Atilla and Kounde, or two other players they are replaceable. We replaced JT and Cahill we can replace them.

Short term it is a disaster for TT. His midfield is gone, only James left. Now AC and Toni are dropping levels seeing their longterm future away and we look really poor.

Why I say we have no chance in staying in the title race. One or both of City and Pool will pull out a massive win streak and even if qe deliver 2 new CBS to TT on Jan first damage will be done already and we won't be able to catch the top 2.

Can see us coming out of Leeds, Everton, Wolves, Villa and Brighton with 3 or 4 points when it should be 15.

 
2020 Rudiger almost went on loan to AC Milan, it was almost a done deal according to Fabrizio Romano, Maldini wanted a CB and 6 months after got Tomori instead.

 
Gol15 said:
2020 Rudiger almost went on loan to AC Milan, it was almost a done deal according to Fabrizio Romano, Maldini wanted a CB and 6 months after got Tomori instead.
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And now a section of the fan base want him to be made one of the highest paid defenders on the planet. Bonkers.

 
Scott Harris said:
At this moment, there is a good chance that all 4 will leave too. That will set us back a few years. Finding one replacement is hard enough, but 4? That isn't happening in one transfer window and even if by some miracle we did replace them all, the chances of them all being a success and adapting instantly are very very slim. We would have to be in the market for a RB too seeing as Azpi is both a backup RB and backup CB.

I naively believed we were starting to build something great with this group. It felt like everything was falling into place. I should have learned from past experiences though. If there is one club that loves to shot themselves in the foot when things are going great, it is our club.

Football changes quickly they say, well it certainly does with Chelsea football club. We are a club that can go from euphoria to pessimism within a week. This club plays havoc with our mental state 😆
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Yes but if it means Tuchel gets to build his own team i would be much happier knowing we have a manager we can trust to identify who he needs.

 
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