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Carney Chukwuemeka

bisright1 said:
He's just saying that he could be. 

Carney could be a key first team player for us over the next decade. 

Ruben isn't. Conor likely isn't going to be.

It's one of the least controversial statements I've seen on here 🤣
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He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.

 
Gordon Bennett said:
He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.
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That doesn't make sense. Ceiling is already a variable term, you don't need to stick may/may not on the front of it. Your just annoyed by the term ceiling.

In simple terms, Carney has the ability to have a 4/10 career or a 8/10 career. Ruben will have a 6 or a 7/10 career. So Carneys ceiling is 8.

He might turn out to be sh*t, but at his age and from what he's shown, he could turn out to be better than Ruben. That's what the term ceiling means. 

I'd argue that 19 yo Ruben had a higher ceiling/potential than pretty much any academy player at his age from Chelsea. He just didn't hit it due to injuries and other factors. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
But you said if someone's younger and currently playing better they have a higher ceiling?
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And you somehow chalked it down to pre-season, when we both clearly know Foden has been playing far better and more frequently than Carney... 

 

 
Gordon Bennett said:
He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.
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Jesus Christ, do I need to always clarify when I mean something literally and when I don't? Of course I could be wrong, but I think it's fair to say that Carney has a higher ceiling just given how much younger he is. 

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that nobody can actually physically see someone's potential, it's not football manager, all we can do is assume and speculate. Sorry I thought that was a goes without saying statement, clearly not. 

 
Victor90 said:
And you somehow chalked it down to pre-season, when we both clearly know Foden has been playing far better and more frequently than Carney... 

 
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Foden was on the bench for the majority of last season as was Carney, can only go off recent data.

The point was quite literally no one, especially anyone that spends their time on a forum discussing players, has any idea about a players potential 'ceiling'.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Foden was on the bench for the majority of last season as was Carney, can only go off recent data.

The point was quite literally no one, especially anyone that spends their time on a forum discussing players, has any idea about a players potential 'ceiling'.
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Ok, next time I'll make it more clear.

I wouldn't want someone to think that we can physically see an XP bar hovering over footballers heads in real life, and if we click the red interactive button it shows us their potential figure. And that potential is judged solely on pre-season and extreme recency, so for example, I genuinely believed Yossi Benayoun had a higher ceiling than Messi in 2011. 

Phew! I'm glad we got that out of the way. 

 
Really glad you posted this as i feel like i have been in a minority. I look at this lad and can genuinely see shades of Bellingham in him. I can see him developing as one of those midfielders that all the great sides have, that don't necessarily have one fixed position but basically runs the whole of the midfield. I really do see that potential in him.

Okay, so i might be going a bit over the top a bit too soon, but i am surprised that he isn't getting more positive reviews. I just hope he gets a good run of games and stays injury free.

 
I believe Pochettino will pick him as his Nkunku alternative. If we sign Olise/Kudus/Cherki, then that completes 2 players for each of the center, left and right deep attacker positions.

 
axman2526 said:
I believe Pochettino will pick him as his Nkunku alternative. If we sign Olise/Kudus/Cherki, then that completes 2 players for each of the center, left and right deep attacker positions.
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That makes sense to me. Equally though Nkunku can play as a 9 although not his best spot. Mudryck/Jackson/Nkunku, Mudryck/Nkunku/Carney, Mudryck/Jackson/Carney

 
RIP Mourinho said:
The rise of Carney might be why we're open to selling Gallagher.
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Those two are very different players. I feel we are trying to build a squad where passing sideways and backwards is something we only do when winning and trying to spend some time on the ball.

Gallagher in pre-season couldn't find moves forward to save his life.

Chukwuemeka in return isn't someone running around players trying to steal the ball from as quickly as possible. He is a ball carrier first and foremost. Reminds me of Ruben. 

 
evissy said:
Those two are very different players. I feel we are trying to build a squad where passing sideways and backwards is something we only do when winning and trying to spend some time on the ball.

Gallagher in pre-season couldn't find moves forward to save his life.

Chukwuemeka in return isn't someone running around players trying to steal the ball from as quickly as possible. He is a ball carrier first and foremost. Reminds me of Ruben. 
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Gallagher's a bit of square peg in a round hole. He's not really a 10, he's too rash to play in a pivot and we don't really play with an actual 8 like he's more suited too. 

Carney is a different type of player but looks like he suits the squad more. 

 
We should keep him, he needs to grow with us because there is a big talent in him.

There is a place for him, he can play as 10 and as 8. 

When we play more offensive game and have the ball most of the time in attacking possession, he is very good addition in this game, showed it pretty good in the pre-season.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
He's basically pre-injury RLC. Can carry the ball, create a shot, find a pass. Big future. 
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Was thinking exactly that on the RLC comparison. 

Very excited for the lad, as we got Pochettino in with his record of developing good young prospects and Carney is certainly a player who could well flourish.

 
Wonder what the odds are on a 6 month + injury at some point this season that'll kill another young player that looks destined for greatness.

 
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