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Chelsea v Preston NE (FA Cup) Sat 6th Jan 24 17:30 GMT

Scott Harris said:
And return to the same problems we had before it? No thanks. If VAR goes, then the PGMOL needs to go with it. I haven't forgotten all of the sh*t that used to go on before VAR. VAR hasn't improved things because it's been used wrongly by those in charge.
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100!

I still think the VAR idea is good but the personal in this country is a shambles.

Bring in automated offside, don't let the clubs vote on it,  just bring it in for the good of the game!

That alone would speed up the VAR process tenfold.

And as much as I dislike Everton that sending off was wrong IMO.

The standard of refereeing in this country is why people hate VAR if you really think about it.

 
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I'm firmly in the get rid of VAR camp. Hated it from the start.  I accept it has reduced the number of mistakes however it is killing the joy of celebrating a goal which has to be preserved as the greatest feeling in football. 

 
Didn’t understood all the doom and gloom at half time that I was seeing on social media. It’s like people haven’t seen an fa cup tie before. Preston were always going to give it a go and we still should have been at least 2-0 up with clear-cut chances for palmer and enzo. In the end we could have easily won by eight. Just feels like people watch chelsea games now ready to moan from the very first minute.

 
Much better second half then. None of the options I have show FA Cup so commentary only, sounded better.

Am guessing Sterling played his way in to the Boro line up then? Maybe with Noni on the right?

 
Sexyfootball said:
Enzo's goal was disallowed if we don't have a VAR check ... VAR is a good thing, they just need to tighten up on the process and the people element.
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I was on the fence until that Colwill "handball" against Brighton, now I'm firmly pro VAR.

 
timetowaste said:
To be honest the choice by the premier league to not have the semi automated offside system implemented is very weird. 
 

To be honest don't think how it was before was that bad, the refs can always be improved on but I don't recall decisions ever being as discussed as they are now, if feels like teams play football while we wait for an extended VAR break.
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You don't? The reason why we have VAR at all is because of how bad things were before.

The reason why it's not working is because the refs are looking for any reason to disallow a goal, give a red card or give a penalty. Everything is overanalysed, and the constant changes to the rules aren't helping things. Nobody knows what a handball is anymore because it changes every season. They slow the replays down so much to the point where it is played frame by frame, and they do this when deciding to give a red card or disallow a goal too. None of this needs to happen. Unless it's clear and obvious, then stick with the refs decision. It's very simple, but the refs are making it so much harder than it needs to be.

Everybody is sick of VAR, but it's not the tech that is the issue, it's the refs themselves. If it was turned off, there would be relief early on, but soon enough, the poor decisions will start piling up again and the fans will react as they see their team on the end of multiple bizarre decisions against the likes of United and Liverpool.

 
2211 said:
100!

I still think the VAR idea is good but the personal in this country is a shambles.

Bring in automated offside, don't let the clubs vote on it,  just bring it in for the good of the game!

That alone would speed up the VAR process tenfold.

And as much as I dislike Everton that sending off was wrong IMO.

The standard of refereeing in this country is why people hate VAR if you really think about it.
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That red card for Everton was as bad as the one we got for Gusto. This is what I mean by them not being qualified for the job, they don't even understand how much of a difference it makes when you slow down the footage. It's not a true representation of what actually happened.

 
loz said:
Has to start week on week out. That's a no brainer for Pochettino 
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Not so sure. He’s willing to attack defenders, puts them on the back foot, gets crosses into dangerous areas, not afraid to have a shot.

Sorry Loz, can’t have that sh*t, this is modern Chels.

 
Scott Harris said:
You don't? The reason why we have VAR at all is because of how bad things were before.

The reason why it's not working is because the refs are looking for any reason to disallow a goal, give a red card or give a penalty. Everything is overanalysed, and the constant changes to the rules aren't helping things. Nobody knows what a handball is anymore because it changes every season. They slow the replays down so much to the point where it is played frame by frame, and they do this when deciding to give a red card or disallow a goal too. None of this needs to happen. Unless it's clear and obvious, then stick with the refs decision. It's very simple, but the refs are making it so much harder than it needs to be.

Everybody is sick of VAR, but it's not the tech that is the issue, it's the refs themselves. If it was turned off, there would be relief early on, but soon enough, the poor decisions will start piling up again and the fans will react as they see their team on the end of multiple bizarre decisions against the likes of United and Liverpool.
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I find it laughable that Jonathan Pearce commentates and effectively mocks VAR. One word, Joyless, he said. Yep the same Jonathan Pearce, one of the biggest voices calling for VAR when the travesties used to occur.

That's what we wanted it for. We never wanted it taking 5 minutes to check if an elbow is playing someone onside, we wanted it to clear up the hand of god, the Roy Carroll scrambling the ball back from way over the line. We wanted it to rectify the horrendous decisions. The onfield standard wasn't bad before they kept changing the rules constantly. 

 
WhiteWall said:
I find it laughable that Jonathan Pearce commentates and effectively mocks VAR. One word, Joyless, he said. Yep the same Jonathan Pearce, one of the biggest voices calling for VAR when the travesties used to occur.

That's what we wanted it for. We never wanted it taking 5 minutes to check if an elbow is playing someone onside, we wanted it to clear up the hand of god, the Roy Carroll scrambling the ball back from way over the line. We wanted it to rectify the horrendous decisions. The onfield standard wasn't bad before they kept changing the rules constantly. 
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Exactly. I never asked VAR to be brought in to cancel out goals that were offside by a centimetre. I never asked VAR to give out red cards on replays slowed down to the point where we are looking at it frame by frame. This stuff is stupid. Just deal with the really bad ones that refs used to miss. Like those nasty tackles that Ashley Barnes put in on Matic. If VAR was available that day, he would have been sent off for sure. That is what I want it used for.

 
Scott Harris said:
Exactly. I never asked VAR to be brought in to cancel out goals that were offside by a centimetre. I never asked VAR to give out red cards on replays slowed down to the point where we are looking at it frame by frame. This stuff is stupid. Just deal with the really bad ones that refs used to miss. Like those nasty tackles that Ashley Barnes put in on Matic. If VAR was available that day, he would have been sent off for sure. That is what I want it used for.
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But once it is there it is always going to be used for an offside check whether its 2m or 0.2cm.

If it is to be kept, and we all know it is, then I'd change it to give the VAR ref 20 seconds to make their mind up. If they can't be sure in that time then we stay with the ruling on the field.

I'd still get rid though.

 
The Brit said:
Didn’t understood all the doom and gloom at half time that I was seeing on social media. It’s like people haven’t seen an fa cup tie before. Preston were always going to give it a go and we still should have been at least 2-0 up with clear-cut chances for palmer and enzo. In the end we could have easily won by eight. Just feels like people watch chelsea games now ready to moan from the very first minute.
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This exactly.

 
Let’s distinguish between VAR as a technology and VAR as the refs. The technology is as good as the humans operating it if you have incompetent people in any situation they will make bad decisions. I love VAR, it’s the operators that’s the problem.

 
El regreso said:
Let’s distinguish between VAR as a technology and VAR as the refs. The technology is as good as the humans operating it if you have incompetent people in any situation they will make bad decisions. I love VAR, it’s the operators that’s the problem.
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I remember the first major tournament it was used for, the Confederations Cup. It was terrible, but international tournaments got better and better at using it. It's the domestic game that is struggling the most, they seem to be making it worse.

 
Scott Harris said:
That red card for Everton was as bad as the one we got for Gusto. This is what I mean by them not being qualified for the job, they don't even understand how much of a difference it makes when you slow down the footage. It's not a true representation of what actually happened.
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Spot on!

It was obvious to me DCL was just trying to win the ball back by scooping his foot around the ball, anyone who understands the game should see this.

Don't get me started on the Jota penalty against Newcastle...

Dismissing VAR as a failure without looking at the people who are using it in this country is the wrong way of looking at it IMO.

It's like blaming car manufacturers for all the accidents on the road.

 
loz said:
But once it is there it is always going to be used for an offside check whether its 2m or 0.2cm.

If it is to be kept, and we all know it is, then I'd change it to give the VAR ref 20 seconds to make their mind up. If they can't be sure in that time then we stay with the ruling on the field.

I'd still get rid though.
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I would do it like the NFL. Let the ref and linesman run the game, allow each manager 2 challenges and used automated systems as much as possible.

We moan about the standard of refereeing in this country but actually the game is now being reffed by people in computer booths

 
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