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Chelsea v Preston NE (FA Cup) Sat 6th Jan 24 17:30 GMT

WhiteWall said:
I would do it like the NFL. Let the ref and linesman run the game, allow each manager 2 challenges and used automated systems as much as possible.

We moan about the standard of refereeing in this country but actually the game is now being reffed by people in computer booths
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That isn't what happens in the NFL though.  Yes there are challenge flags but, in addition, all scoring plays are subject to an automatic review.

 
loz said:
That isn't what happens in the NFL though.  Yes there are challenge flags but, in addition, all scoring plays are subject to an automatic review.
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Yes but I wouldn't go that far, because of the length of the stoppages. If we had a stated maximum number of challenges. I'm not saying it would be the answer but I think it's better than what we have currently 

 
WhiteWall said:
I find it laughable that Jonathan Pearce commentates and effectively mocks VAR. One word, Joyless, he said. Yep the same Jonathan Pearce, one of the biggest voices calling for VAR when the travesties used to occur.

That's what we wanted it for. We never wanted it taking 5 minutes to check if an elbow is playing someone onside, we wanted it to clear up the hand of god, the Roy Carroll scrambling the ball back from way over the line. We wanted it to rectify the horrendous decisions. The onfield standard wasn't bad before they kept changing the rules constantly. 
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The amusing thing about Pearce’s performance on COMMS tonight  - one of many - is that he instantly said enzo was way offside, only to be proved wrong. He also amusingly said earlier Broja should go off and sterling play down the middle. Don’t think sterling would have scored with that header if that had happened.

 
The Brit said:
The amusing thing about Pearce’s performance on COMMS tonight  - one of many - is that he instantly said enzo was way offside, only to be proved wrong. He also amusingly said earlier Broja should go off and sterling play down the middle. Don’t think sterling would have scored with that header if that had happened.
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In fairness I'm also guilty of both those things. Well almost.  I wanted Broja hooked too. Not to put Sterling down the middle but did want him hooked.

I also thought Enzo was offside when I saw it at normal speed.

 
Awful first half today, bit of same old, same old but the second half was like a breath of fresh air. We seemed more willing to attack and commit players forward. 
I don’t know if Broja is the answer but after his goal everything improved. His movement into spaces and his touch and his battling. Shortly after his goal he went in on a challenge and put the defender on his arse. It was a foul but at least he made his presence felt which has not been happening. He should get a wee run of games now and can maybe build some confidence. 
I would like to see a proper RB playing RB and a proper LB playing LB. It would add more width in attack. This isn’t having a go at young Gilchrist who done very well but apparently is more used to CB. He could develop into a very useful RB. 
I like Gusto at FB but he adds a lot more as RB.

Poch just play Madueke and alternate the left wing if he needs too between Sterling and Mudryk.

 
goose said:
Awful first half today, bit of same old, same old but the second half was like a breath of fresh air. We seemed more willing to attack and commit players forward. 
I don’t know if Broja is the answer but after his goal everything improved. His movement into spaces and his touch and his battling. Shortly after his goal he went in on a challenge and put the defender on his arse. It was a foul but at least he made his presence felt which has not been happening. He should get a wee run of games now and can maybe build some confidence. 
I would like to see a proper RB playing RB and a proper LB playing LB. It would add more width in attack. This isn’t having a go at young Gilchrist who done very well but apparently is more used to CB. He could develop into a very useful RB. 
I like Gusto at FB but he adds a lot more as RB.

Poch just play Madueke and alternate the left wing if he needs too between Sterling and Mudryk.
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I wouldn't underestimate the difference a goal could make for the confidence of Broja. It will be interesting to see how he does in the upcoming run of games.

 
Scott Harris said:
You don't? The reason why we have VAR at all is because of how bad things were before.

The reason why it's not working is because the refs are looking for any reason to disallow a goal, give a red card or give a penalty. Everything is overanalysed, and the constant changes to the rules aren't helping things. Nobody knows what a handball is anymore because it changes every season. They slow the replays down so much to the point where it is played frame by frame, and they do this when deciding to give a red card or disallow a goal too. None of this needs to happen. Unless it's clear and obvious, then stick with the refs decision. It's very simple, but the refs are making it so much harder than it needs to be.

Everybody is sick of VAR, but it's not the tech that is the issue, it's the refs themselves. If it was turned off, there would be relief early on, but soon enough, the poor decisions will start piling up again and the fans will react as they see their team on the end of multiple bizarre decisions against the likes of United and Liverpool.
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There were some poor decisions of course but people moved on pretty quickly, I'll take a bit of human error in exchange for the excitement of scoring goals once again. Has VAR made football better? I think 9/10 people would say no.

The problem with the technology is once it's used for something there will be an argument for using it for something else but where does it end? Clear and obvious is subjective, what we might deem as clear and obvious might not be to someone else. For example, Liverpool draw a game because they don't get a borderline red card decision going their way, Klopp comes out like the grumpy entitled chode he is and complains about it post match and says how if the officials took more time they'd have said it was a red, this is then a discussion for the rest of the week. This will happen all of the time and we're discussing what VAR should and shouldn't be used for. 
 

Im waffling on a bit but you get my point. You can't tell me that watching that Chelsea vs Newcastle game a few weeks back it wasn't great to see that last minute equaliser and knowing there's no chance it's getting ruled out. Watching Sunderland vs Newcastle today was a breath of fresh air too, a feisty local derby where some big challenges went in that would have been looked at for 2 minutes during the game to make a decision.

Before the game the presenter reminded everyone there was no VAR, the pundits said how great it was, the commentators then did the same during that game and celebrated it wasn't going to f**k up the flow of the game. Almost everyone in the game hates it, yet it's being pushed by people at the top who have no interest in what the fans want.

Until every decision is immediate like goal line technology is I just can't get behind the involvement of VAR in our game and because it's mostly around subjective opinions we'll always have unnecessary disruption.

 
timetowaste said:
There were some poor decisions of course but people moved on pretty quickly, I'll take a bit of human error in exchange for the excitement of scoring goals once again. Has VAR made football better? I think 9/10 people would say no.

The problem with the technology is once it's used for something there will be an argument for using it for something else but where does it end? Clear and obvious is subjective, what we might deem as clear and obvious might not be to someone else. For example, Liverpool draw a game because they don't get a borderline red card decision going their way, Klopp comes out like the grumpy entitled chode he is and complains about it post match and says how if the officials took more time they'd have said it was a red, this is then a discussion for the rest of the week. This will happen all of the time and we're discussing what VAR should and shouldn't be used for. 
 

Im waffling on a bit but you get my point. You can't tell me that watching that Chelsea vs Newcastle game a few weeks back it wasn't great to see that last minute equaliser and knowing there's no chance it's getting ruled out. Watching Sunderland vs Newcastle today was a breath of fresh air too, a feisty local derby where some big challenges went in that would have been looked at for 2 minutes during the game to make a decision.

Before the game the presenter reminded everyone there was no VAR, the pundits said how great it was, the commentators then did the same during that game and celebrated it wasn't going to f**k up the flow of the game. Almost everyone in the game hates it, yet it's being pushed by people at the top who have no interest in what the fans want.

Until every decision is immediate like goal line technology is I just can't get behind the involvement of VAR in our game and because it's mostly around subjective opinions we'll always have unnecessary disruption.
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I’ll simplify your post

Its killed the game we all love

 
I like VAR. England probably would have won another World Cup if they’d had Var but I still like it. 
‘Sterling was pretty good. He is direct and prepared to have a go. And it was a quality free kick. Not too many can knock over the wall and into the corner with enough pace. 

 
Seen 3 minutes of highlights now.

Lovely header from a lovely cross.

Always made up when Silva scores.

Job done, hopefully another home draw to a lower league side next, we need a good run in the cup, and to win this once more. Been too long since @Eight Timeschanged his name!

Well done lads.

 
The Brit said:
The amusing thing about Pearce’s performance on COMMS tonight  - one of many - is that he instantly said enzo was way offside, only to be proved wrong. He also amusingly said earlier Broja should go off and sterling play down the middle. Don’t think sterling would have scored with that header if that had happened.
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Spot on. His attitude stinks when he commentates against us. In fact his attitude is cr@p whenever he commentates about a bigger team vs a perceived smaller team. Perceived in his eyes.

I used to really like Pearce when he was a radio commentator on London or Capital radio. Nowadays he has taken over the mumbling bo**ocks reins from Martin Tyler and I wish that he would just commentate and not opionionate his way through matches. Personally I have now interest in what his opinion is, it has no relevance to what I am watching 

 
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