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It's not so much underestimating the step up, it's more that he doesn't have to do much to be better than our current wingers. 

 
Ukraine Bolt said:
personally i think this is a ridiculous statement but we'll see. 
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I'm not saying he won't face any struggles, that's normal for any player nevermind an 18 year old, but if he can do half of what he does in Brazil here then he's already better than our current wingers. 

 
Remodez said:
I'm not saying he won't face any struggles, that's normal for any player nevermind an 18 year old, but if he can do half of what he does in Brazil here then he's already better than our current wingers. 
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I'd be impressed if he manages 3 league goals in his first season, which is probably a better return than Neto can manage actually. 

 
Remodez said:
I'm not saying he won't face any struggles, that's normal for any player nevermind an 18 year old, but if he can do half of what he does in Brazil here then he's already better than our current wingers. 
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But i think that you are only looking at technical ability, which is undeniable from the show reels.

To me he looks lightweight for our league and will need time to acclimatize and "man up". C Ronaldo had significant potential but was just too lightweight when he first arrived. After he beefed up his potential was able to flourish.

I would be surprised to see any of what we are seeing on Youtube developing in the PL until maybe his second season here. I would still keep him here but i would be using him from the bench throughout that first year

 
There is no doubt in my mind Estevao will be a top player. We as fans shouldn’t expect too much though. A massive life change for him and he will require time to settle and understand the PL. 

Endrick isn’t the best comparison tbh as he has genuine world class players keeping him out. I don’t see the same problems for Estevao.

I can see Endrick moving on from Madrid and we might be the club that does it. 

 
19seventyone said:
There is no doubt in my mind Estevao will be a top player. We as fans shouldn’t expect too much though. A massive life change for him and he will require time to settle and understand the PL. 

Endrick isn’t the best comparison tbh as he has genuine world class players keeping him out. I don’t see the same problems for Estevao.

I can see Endrick moving on from Madrid and we might be the club that does it. 
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Endrick just started last game against a third division side in the cup and couldn't score, when players like Guler are getting a brace in the same game. Honestly, the step up from Brazil to European top leagues is HUGE. 

 
Ukraine Bolt said:
Endrick just started last game against a third division side in the cup and couldn't score, when players like Guler are getting a brace in the same game. Honestly, the step up from Brazil to European top leagues is HUGE. 
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So Estevao, Santos, Paez and Anselmino are all just hopeful punts in reality. With such a HUGE step up from South America to the EPL, all of them could be found massively wanting. Oh well, the excitement was good while it lasted! Good news for Ligue1 though.

 
Ukraine Bolt said:
Endrick just started last game against a third division side in the cup and couldn't score, when players like Guler are getting a brace in the same game. Honestly, the step up from Brazil to European top leagues is HUGE. 
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Agreed in general but Endrick has the quality I reckon. 

 
Snedger said:
So Estevao, Santos, Paez and Anselmino are all just hopeful punts in reality. With such a HUGE step up from South America to the EPL, all of them could be found massively wanting. Oh well, the excitement was good while it lasted! Good news for Ligue1 though.
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Every youngster coming from South America is a gamble but they are considered the top talents on the continent.

High hopes for all 4

 
WhiteWall said:
But i think that you are only looking at technical ability, which is undeniable from the show reels.

To me he looks lightweight for our league and will need time to acclimatize and "man up". C Ronaldo had significant potential but was just too lightweight when he first arrived. After he beefed up his potential was able to flourish.

I would be surprised to see any of what we are seeing on Youtube developing in the PL until maybe his second season here. I would still keep him here but i would be using him from the bench throughout that first year
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Naturally isn't going to be doing things like that in his first season here but there will be glimpses as there was with Ronaldo when he started. 

 
Snedger said:
So Estevao, Santos, Paez and Anselmino are all just hopeful punts in reality. With such a HUGE step up from South America to the EPL, all of them could be found massively wanting. Oh well, the excitement was good while it lasted! Good news for Ligue1 though.
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I don't believe Anselmino belongs in the same bracket as those 3.  Barco who went to Brighton was much highly rated. 

 
Snedger said:
So Estevao, Santos, Paez and Anselmino are all just hopeful punts in reality. With such a HUGE step up from South America to the EPL, all of them could be found massively wanting. Oh well, the excitement was good while it lasted! Good news for Ligue1 though.
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No doubt the step up is huge, but they are talents and deserve a chance. The prior comment on Endrick is somewhat misplaced also. Took Vini Jnr 3-4 years to settle at Madrid. Patience is key otherwise we’ll end up with a Salah or KDB scenario. Trouble is patience doesn’t win matches. 

 
Estevao would be Madueke/Neto's understudy. 

Santos would be with Lavia/Enzo/Caicedo. 

Isn't like we are throwing them to the wolves here. 

 
Snedger said:
So Estevao, Santos, Paez and Anselmino are all just hopeful punts in reality. With such a HUGE step up from South America to the EPL, all of them could be found massively wanting. Oh well, the excitement was good while it lasted! Good news for Ligue1 though.
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Pretty much yeah. I think long term Estevao will 100% make it at the highest level, Paez will so long as his attitude is right and Santos is already PL ready. Anselmino i have no clue about as i've hardly seen anything about him. 

Short term though we just need to be realistic with our expectations. 

19seventyone said:
Agreed in general but Endrick has the quality I reckon. 
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He 100% has the quality but i was just using him as an example that we shouldn't be looking at Estevao to come in next season and starting every week over the wingers we already have. It'll take a couple of years is all. 

 
PhilH930 said:
No doubt the step up is huge, but they are talents and deserve a chance. The prior comment on Endrick is somewhat misplaced also. Took Vini Jnr 3-4 years to settle at Madrid. Patience is key otherwise we’ll end up with a Salah or KDB scenario. Trouble is patience doesn’t win matches. 
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That was quite literally the point of the comment about Endrick. Vini was used as an example in the first place. 

 
Vini was supposed to be Hazard’s understudy. Hazard’s injury forced Real to throw Vini in where he basically had to sink or swim. 
 

That shouldn’t be the case with Estevao. At the moment it looks like he has players ahead of him until he gets the hang of the league. 

 
Endrick has to move players who are worth individually at least £100 million to get minutes outside of the Copa Del Rey.

Estevao doesn’t have the same level of competition at Chelsea. I’m hopeful we’ll see plenty from him next season but I’m a realist. It’s a massive jump in fitness, weather, food, culture and intensity. 
 

Put it this way. If he ends up playing over half our league games next season then it’s likely he is the real deal and we have something really special. 
 

I’ve watched quite a few of Estevao’s and Paez games this season. I think Paez will be a very consistent player. Endrick might not get that consistency but looks to have a bit of magic about him.

Hopefully at least one of them will make it at the Bridgr

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Vini was supposed to be Hazard’s understudy. Hazard’s injury forced Real to throw Vini in where he basically had to sink or swim. 
 

That shouldn’t be the case with Estevao. At the moment it looks like he has players ahead of him until he gets the hang of the league. 
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This is the whole point of the discussion though. People are posting on here expecting him to come in and start every week and perform and he's going to be the saviour of our club.

 
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