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abister1 said:
Well when the others have cost you nothing and will be pure profit, whereas the other will be a loss because you spunked £60 regretted millions , it's easy to see where the motivation to sell which will be.
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Is this going to be the thing going forward, just selling academy products for profit and overpaying for youth products around the globe? At some point very soon IMO the well would run dry. Hypothetically Gallagher, James & Broja are the only ones we can shift for big money next season.

abister1 said:
Why is he reluctant to go if he is stalling signing a new contract.

You either want to be Chelsea or you don't . Make up your mind son.
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Can’t blame him to be fair. We probably want him to sign one of those daft 8yr deals, and like with Hall the club can turn around next min and sell him.

 
ducavis said:
Is this going to be the thing going forward, just selling academy products for profit and overpaying for youth products around the globe? At some point very soon IMO the well would run dry. Hypothetically Gallagher, James & Broja are the only ones we can shift for big money next season.

Can’t blame him to be fair. We probably want him to sign one of those daft 8yr deals, and like with Hall the club can turn around next min and sell him.
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This is the exact model. It is doomed to failure IMO ultimately as you have suggested as all of those coming up behind would have been purchased and would therefore have an FFP impact and those remaining academy lads won't have the opportunity to shine to have any saleability in the market anyway.

How does a lad like Kiano Dyer get to showcase himself through loans or first team cameos if we already have 5 south american 16 year old midfielders ready to come in when permits allow, already in the position. 

I get the mopdel and it partly makes sense, but there seems little if any sustainability with it.

 
Looks like we're heading into the he's not " proper Chels" nonsense territory.

Anyway I always think we lose a bit of our identity when we shift on Academy players and instead take a gamble on young players from elsewhere 

 
The situation is interesting.

Reports all summer have correlated that Hall and Cucurella's future were dependent on Maatsen, yet since preseason Maatsen hasn't played LB once. I think these reports are wide off the mark. 

Seems to be a situation where Maatsen wants to stay but wants better terms/playing time. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
The situation is interesting.

Reports all summer have correlated that Hall and Cucurella's future were dependent on Maatsen, yet since preseason Maatsen hasn't played LB once. I think these reports are wide off the mark. 

Seems to be a situation where Maatsen wants to stay but wants better terms/playing time. 
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Everyone was applauding Colwill for his sensible attitude in this regard. Maatsen, been around longer and has been very highly regarded for a number of years behind the scenes. Its similarly a sensible approach to take and one i feel that we should be actively engaging in, not looking at the dollar.

As i have said previously,and correct me if i am wrong, if he signs an improved deal and has a great season here. If the board then cash in say in June next year, isn't it all booked in the same accounting period anyway for FFP. I can't see why we are not all over this, especially with Chilly's injury record. If nothing else he has demonstrated a versatility that a number of other players don't have,

 
Man, this deadline day bollox does your head in



I mean, What The Actual..... Is this implying that the club are now trying to sell against the manager's wishes. How do these clowns know all this stuff anyway when Sky have people stood outside the club for 16 hours with fck all to report.  Aaargh.

 
The heffalump in the room is Maatsen declining to sign a new contract. The risk of him leaving on a free next year.

 
dermott said:
The heffalump in the room is Maatsen declining to sign a new contract. The risk of him leaving on a free next year.
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Yup that is why we want to sell.

Can see he is way down Pochettino list as a left back, and as a wide player/attacking mid. He won't get good game time this season imo, not enough to see him sign a new deal, so we are panicking trying to avoid losing him for free.

 
WhiteWall said:
This is the exact model. It is doomed to failure IMO ultimately as you have suggested as all of those coming up behind would have been purchased and would therefore have an FFP impact and those remaining academy lads won't have the opportunity to shine to have any saleability in the market anyway.

How does a lad like Kiano Dyer get to showcase himself through loans or first team cameos if we already have 5 south american 16 year old midfielders ready to come in when permits allow, already in the position. 

I get the mopdel and it partly makes sense, but there seems little if any sustainability with it.
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These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.

 
OriginalS said:
These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.
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Could also sell a star player to the Saudi league too.

Not saying I want us to do that, as I also don't want us selling Conor either. 

However you look at Pool having that option to sell Salah for 200mill, an FFP profit of over 160mill. He is their best player but if you think about it say Pochettino turns Sterling in to a world beater this year. 

For such a player the Saudis will cough up 120mill or more. Then boom, 90mill for FFP.

 
OriginalS said:
These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.
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Here's a potential 24 man squad that doesn't include Gallagher, Chalobah or Maatsen ... or any of the youth punts from South America come to that ... 

On paper it looks pretty well balanced - all square pegs in square holes.

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axman2526 said:
Could also sell a star player to the Saudi league too.

Not saying I want us to do that, as I also don't want us selling Conor either. 

However you look at Pool having that option to sell Salah for 200mill, an FFP profit of over 160mill. He is their best player but if you think about it say Pochettino turns Sterling in to a world beater this year. 

For such a player the Saudis will cough up 120mill or more. Then boom, 90mill for FFP.
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We're not having an open top bus parade for FFP now are we ?

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Sexyfootball said:
Here's a potential 24 man squad that doesn't include Gallagher, Chalobah or Maatsen ... or any of the youth punts from South America come to that ... 

On paper it looks pretty well balanced - all square pegs in square holes.

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Nkunku? Oops just seen him on the right, think he will be behind Jackson with Chukwuemeka as backup (though Pochettino played him on the left with Chukwuemeka in the hole). Palmer will then compete with Madueke on the RW.

 
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