Ian Maatsen

[All Barco no bite]

Position means dick if the player is bullied off the ball. Add his already poor defensive game and still wanting him in our most vulnerable of areas which is our own defensive end, isn't practical. Had Pep signed Maatsen he'd be using him in the same roles Oscar Bob and Rico Lewis are in. 

We don't play wingbacks given the attack and midfield we've invested in. 

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

 

[dkw]

Position means dick if the player is bullied off the ball.

Your entire argument was he had`nt been played out of position, now that doesnt matter anyway? f**king hell mate, get a grip.

 

[All Barco no bite]

Out of position is most certainly a farfetched notion with regards to Maatsen. He isn't some standard fullback, he was essentially a winger under Burnely and his attacking traits have undoubtedly been recognized here. I'm still unsure as to why people who saw Maatsen play since preseason still want him at LB. 

 

I've looked at this so many times and I'm still confused by the above graphic, what is this proving other than he played as a modern full back for Burnley? 

 

[Argo]

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

 

[dkw]

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

Do you have proof this is why he was moved?

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Your entire argument was he had`nt been played out of position, now that doesnt matter anyway? f**king hell mate, get a grip.

My argument is that it bewilders me given what we already know of Maatsen from his time at Burnley (attacking wingback but poor defensively) and what we as fans have seen from our own eyes since preseason (good in the attacking end but physically limited), that people still think he's being played out of position when not at LB. 

The lad is genuinely an attacking player. 

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 

Rico Lewis, the player Maatsen would've inevitably replaced, has only played LB once this season, and even during that match he was an inverted midfielder. 

 

[All Barco no bite]

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

Charlton:



Coventry:



Burnley:



Coventry is the only team that gave him decent minutes further up and that's because they often played a back 3 and he was at LWB.

Next made up nonsense please. 

 

[All Barco no bite]

My argument is that it bewilders me given what we already know of Maatsen from his time at Burnley (attacking wingback but poor defensively) and what we as fans have seen from our own eyes since preseason (good in the attacking end but physically limited), that people still think he's being played out of position when not at LB. 

The lad is genuinely an attacking player. 

No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 

Rico Lewis, the player Maatsen would've inevitably replaced, has only played LB once this season, and even during that match he was an inverted midfielder. 

Probably because he's a RB mate. 

 

[dkw]

You cant use his attacking at Burnley as a reason not to play him at left back, every player bar the keeper (and he probably stood on the halfway line) were attacking as they were by an absolute mile the best team in the division, only lost 3 games and barely needed to bother defending, ever.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Probably because he's a RB mate. 

Also played there only once this season. 

Victim of Pep. 

You cant use his attacking at Burnley as a reason not to play him at left back, every player bar the keeper (and he probably stood on the halfway line) were attacking as they were by an absolute mile the best team in the division, only lost 3 games and barely needed to bother defending, ever.

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

 

[All Barco no bite]

Also played there only once this season. 

Victim of Pep. 

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

Rico Lewis competing against Walker and Stones for game time in a team challenging for a title against Maatsen challenging just Colwill for midtable. I don't need to explain this to you. 

 

[dkw]

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

You have something to back this up?

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Rico Lewis competing against Walker and Stones for game time in a team challenging for a title against Maatsen challenging just Colwill for midtable. I don't need to explain this to you. 

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

You have something to back this up?

 

[dkw]

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

Are you taking the piss, your proof is someone on here saying the same thing as you with no proof? 

 

[All Barco no bite]

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

You know all those times Stones has been at CDM he's been inverting from RB. Admittedly was mainly Pep's tactic for last season when he won the treble. 

 

[Argo]

You have something to back this up?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/search.php?keywords=Maatsen+defending&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Are you taking the piss, your proof is someone on here saying the same thing as you with no proof? 

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season. Explained as much in the shared post you chose to ignore for whatever reason. 

You know all those times Stones has been at CDM he's been inverting from RB. Admittedly was mainly Pep's tactic for last season when he won the treble. 

What's this have to do with Rico Lewis not playing fullback?

 

[dkw]

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season.

Yeah right, sure it is. Your talking absolute sh*te here, it's genuinely embarrassing  

 

[dkw]

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/search.php?keywords=Maatsen+defending&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

Carry on reading the conversations, the majority have others praising his defending, calling out those claims he can't defend etc.

It's certainly not all Burnley fans on there.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Yeah right, sure it is. Your talking absolute sh*te here, it's genuinely embarrassing  

Genuinely Embarrassing using secondary research as a point of reference? Are you on a windup?

Here are two threads alone questioning Maatsen defensively and some suggesting there are better ways to be spending the £30m. 

You're right army, Chelsea have let some talent slip through their fingers over the years, they sold De Bruyne to Wolfsburg for £18 million before he ended up at City, maybe Maatsen will follow in his footsteps, we'll see. I'm not saying he's rubbish or anything, he's a decent player, but imo he's deficient defensively, seriously so, and to me it's telling that after a year at Coventry, a year with us and now 6 months at Chelsea, no PL team wants to take him on, except us of course, a bottom three club. There must be a reason for this lack of interest.

Yes, great going forward but not a great defender imo. But you can't blame him for choosing BD over what appears to be relegation bound BFC

As Sub says. He can feck off for me as well, let's see how many offers he gets at £30 million, not many would be my guess.

£10m max. No more

If we were looking for a left full back who can add to our defensive play then I do not think Maatsen is the answer, as he showed in our championship campaign last year when up againt a good winger his defensive play was not his strong point. However, he was good playing an attacking wing back in the championship.

This season it appears that Chelsea play him main as a substitute in mid-field, is that something we need, I did not in summer consider him worth £30M and would not like us to offer that sort of money in January.

It is more obvious that with our style of play we need a clinical striker and I would sooner any funding available be put into a striker.

If he is that good then why does he not catch at Chelsea, however, as said by others its a maybe but not at £30m he is know where near that price. If that is the price or anything near then it is no. It is about value for money.

His attributes - I know defensive wise some aren’t convinced but I think he very quick and that gets him out of a lot of defensive 1-1 he has a very good quick brain and two good feet and to round it off he has amazing balance which is something that many don’t.

I think his stock has dropped. £10m even feels a lot now.

Decent on the ball but we need to be adding experience, size & strength to that back line.

Borussia Dortmund in negotiations with Chelsea over Maatsen, apparently he's their top priority signing this January, Monaco are sniffing round as well, so it seems we can move on from Maatsen at last. No problem for me, I'm certain there are better ways of spending £30 million.

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38313379&highlight=maatsen