Jhon Duran

[TheCeleryKing]

£42 million . . .Our Sporting directors, the blue.co 'Cartel' if you will, are very keen on developing a good relationship in Columbia. They find that get a lot of inspiration from Colombia when making their soccer decisions.

 

[bisright1]

Not surprised but just frustrated.

This club needs to stop spending money and accept the position they got themselves in with poor recruitment. If they sell the likes of Datro and Casadei this window it just shows they don't know how to develop players because how is a player going to be ready at the age of 20 and on loan in a new environment. Would not be surprised if someone like Casadei goes on to become a top player in Italy with proper development and game time.

What if we made a profit on both of them?

 

[bisright1]

But even at that £25m it is still only comparable to Guirassy who has a proven track record and would work well with Jackson to develop him, rather than bringing in a player more raw than Jackson was. Don't get it, sorry.

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

 

[WhiteWall]

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

How do you know his value will increase in 3 years. How much is Fofana worth today in comparison to the 75m we paid. How do you also know that Guirassy will be worth nothing in 3 years.

At some point there has to be some focus on the here and now. You cannot continually buy players who are going to be great, possibly, hopefully in 3 or 4 years time. Virtually every pundit involved in football made the comment last year that our football, even in the bad times, wasn't bad. We just couldn't score goals. So we decide to not go for a proven quality striker to lead the line and end up going for a second string Villa striker that there manager is perfectly happy to let go (with no second striker currently in place btw)

 

[Scott Harris]

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

Based on what though? Duran has currently done nothing in his career to suggest his value will go up or that he is anywhere near being worth £40m right now. 

If we pay £40m for him, how do we get his value to £60m in 3 years? He's going to need to become a regular starter by the end of the season and become a striker that scores around 20 goals a season. How can any logical thinking person think this is realistic? 

 

[DarkMata]

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

 

[bisright1]

How do you know his value will increase in 3 years. How much is Fofana worth today in comparison to the 75m we paid. How do you also know that Guirassy will be worth nothing in 3 years.

At some point there has to be some focus on the here and now. You cannot continually buy players who are going to be great, possibly, hopefully in 3 or 4 years time. Virtually every pundit involved in football made the comment last year that our football, even in the bad times, wasn't bad. We just couldn't score goals. So we decide to not go for a proven quality striker to lead the line and end up going for a second string Villa striker that there manager is perfectly happy to let go (with no second striker currently in place btw)

I don't think he will be a better signing. Although I think a 28 year old who hasn't performed at the very top level, is probably not going to win us the title. I'd rather gamble on a 20 year old than someone who has had one good season. 

Based on what though? Duran has currently done nothing in his career to suggest his value will go up or that he is anywhere near being worth £40m right now. 

If we pay £40m for him, how do we get his value to £60m in 3 years? He's going to need to become a regular starter by the end of the season and become a striker that scores around 20 goals a season. How can any logical thinking person think this is realistic? 

 I don't think we should pay 40m for him. But 25? Yeah definitely. 

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

Well I was mainly just making the point that spending 25m on a 20yo with a bright future is a different purchase to buying a 28 year old at the very peak of their powers for the same price.

 

[WhiteWall]

I don't think he will be a better signing. Although I think a 28 year old who hasn't performed at the very top level, is probably not going to win us the title. I'd rather gamble on a 20 year old than someone who has had one good season. 

 I don't think we should pay 40m for him. But 25? Yeah definitely. 

Well I was mainly just making the point that spending 25m on a 20yo with a bright future is a different purchase to buying a 28 year old at the very peak of their powers for the same price.

I get these points and agree that there certainly is a place for this approach. My point is that this doesn't have to be the only and total approach. I'm only using Guirassy as a case in point. But the guy played a hundred games in Ligue 1 with a strike rate of roughly 1 in 3. Since moving to the Bundesliga his rate has improved to better than 1 in 2. Contrast this to Duran's level of inexperience and regardless of age 25m for Duran looks expensive against 25m for Guirassy which would looks value for money.

Add to that the point that Maresca's style apparently wants a forward to drop deep, work with the midfield and bring others into play as well and Guirassy again fits the mould. Perhaps Duran will as well, but with so little playing time its a gamble. Noises, granted form sh*t sources like twitter, imply that Duran may be high maintenance if he is not getting gam time and, along with Madueke's instances of petulance, its another negative point.

Finally, for me, 25m for the use of an asset for 3 years with a reduced (i don't think there would be no sell on value) value at the end of this time isn't a bad deal at all.

 

[icecoolguy22]

150m? Maybe if these foreign clubs group together into syndicates, like horse ownership,  and share the player around.

I reckon the best way go about it to sell Gallagher for 100M to Strasbourg, then loan him back on 10M a season, everyone wins and FFP looked solid

 

[Brigadeiro Mk II]

£42 million . . .Our Sporting directors, the blue.co 'Cartel' if you will, are very keen on developing a good relationship in Columbia. They find that get a lot of inspiration from Colombia when making their soccer decisions.

Colombia approves! 

 

[SydneyChelsea]

He's still pure profit. 

If we do a trade, then we can value Gallagher at 50m on the books next season as a sale and amortise Duran's cost over 5 years. Likewise Villa get the same benefit on the books their side. 

Although I assume (surely) Gallagher will cost more than Duran. 

Sure, but Duran's amortized value is going to be far more than whatever Gallagher's is, even with an improved contract. And that's not counting the cost of any potential replacement.

It's a kicking the PSR problem down the road, the "pure profit" narrative only makes sense in the very short term.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Remember when people were upset that we didn’t scout Gyorkeres before he moved to Sporting? It was Winstanley who wanted him at Brighton. 
 

Let’s see if Winstanley gets this one right too. 

 

[ALTE]

Not against duran if hes at 25 mil....at 40+mil they are having a giraffe and only we'd be stupid enough to pay it, serie a teams certainly wont.

i hear Tammy abraham is available from roma For less

 

[WhiteWall]

Remember when people were upset that we didn’t scout Gyorkeres before he moved to Sporting? It was Winstanley who wanted him at Brighton. 
 

Let’s see if Winstanley gets this one right too. 

But aren't we already doing that with DD Fofana and Washington? Not convinced they've unearthed gems there so far, from what I've seen.

 

[General]

Looks like this is a done deal for 50 million Euros, lad has a discipline problem and Emery wants rid so along come Clearfake to Villa’s rescue. I did see him score a blinder in one of their last games of the season. I’m passed being upset with the owners I expected nothing less than their transfer market sh*thousery to continue this summer. Only 8 more seasons to go until they can put the club up for sale for a PROFIT of course. 

 

[evissy]

Agbonlahor told he has had problems in the training pitch and as I watched his highlights he has done well against the top teams which could indicate he has always put himself in the shop window. That would be a massive personality trait if so. 

His talent is there but if his head is not, let's hard pass.

 

[Nibs]

Well known fact that we are crying out for a PROPER striker and so we are linked with a guy that most of us have never heard of with a record in the PL you wouldn't even look at and think "yeah, this guy could do a job for us".

Sums us up at the moment. Laughable if we sign him.

 

[WhiteWall]

Agbonlahor told he has had problems in the training pitch and as I watched his highlights he has done well against the top teams which could indicate he has always put himself in the shop window. That would be a massive personality trait if so. 

His talent is there but if his head is not, let's hard pass.

This is the type of sh*t that gets forgotten when the positive PR spin kicks in when we sign. No way can this be a Maresca requested/endorsed signing. Maresca has enough challenges ahead of him in a pressurized environment without running the risk of having his man management skills aired in public from shows of petulance from entitled players. Unless the players are of such outstanding quality why would any manager invite that additional risk factor into his regime. Its just not necessary here.

But we'll sign him. Maresca will sub him at some point and possibly Madueke for dicking around over a penalty he is not entitled to take, it'll kick off and the press will make sure all eyes are on him. But nobody would listen to Maresca if he then said, "Whoa, wait, this guy had attitude problems when the club bought him, its not down to me"., This stuff just gets forgotten until the inevitable attitude problems happen.

This is another ten a penny forward, so why take this risk on a second choice striker (He, and probably the club, thinks he is the main man btw)

 

[Kev56]

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

Same here fed up of all this accountant speak, profit ,loss, amortisation etc. and as for all the stat. nerds out there. 

 

[evissy]

Well known fact that we are crying out for a PROPER striker and so we are linked with a guy that most of us have never heard of with a record in the PL you wouldn't even look at and think "yeah, this guy could do a job for us".

Sums us up at the moment. Laughable if we sign him.

Jackson was basically the same and he was okay and in line with what the new SD's are doing and gladly the exact opposite of what Roman did.