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Philippe Coutinho

He's just the guy Liverpool used to bring on as a last ditch attempt to do a thunderbasterd. If we needed that then we should go for James Rodriguez, cheaper and a slightly better player overall.

 
IliyaKrostin said:
Good player, experienced in the PL. But I'm happy with Ruben Loftus-Cheek.
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Exactly Ruben is and should remain the main man and his back up/competitors should be Mason Mount and Ross Barkley. I would not swap Ruben for Coutinho, even with no cash involved. The Hazard money (if we are allowed) needs to go to areas we NEED to improve in.

1. A striker, get shot of Higuain, Batman and Giroud, spend big on Jovic or someone like that and have Tammy as the competition.

2. Someone else Sarri (if he stays) is happy with as a Jorginho alternative.

3. Other true wide player options, get shot of Willian and Pedro and look at someone like Pepe or maybe Fraser to go with CHO and Pulisic.

4. A good left back, I believe I heard we are looking at Porto's Telles for 40mill. I would get rid of Emerson and keep Alonso as back up.

5. If money is let over then a quality ball playing center back. If not then we can live Luiz, Rudiger, Christensen and one of Zouma/Tomori and dave as another backup. Though that defense would rule us out of the title race imo.

 
I think I would prefer not to sign him. While he did play well for Liverpool he seems like a younger Pedro, except with Pedro you know he's going to play hard regardless. While we do need a winger since Hazard is all but gone, I think the addition of Pulisic lessens that a bit. Enough to where we can focus on bringing in a striker and a left back. To me, those are the two biggest areas of concern for us. It doesn't mean we don't need additional pieces but that those 2 areas are of higher need.

 
So Greizmann is going to Barca after they triggered his release clause. I reckon Barca are expecting us to repay that to them for this fella.

Should have just got Greizmann ourselves lol...yeah I know never was likely. Just please do not be so stupid as to sign this overrated and selfish Brazilian Marina.

 
rtwelch said:
Where would he play? LW or AM? I swear he is played out of position at Barca and played his best stuff at AM out on the left for Liverpool a bit further back. Would rather spend the likely £100 million on 2 other players. We could probably get Pepe and Telles for the same price.
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I dunno about that I think we have made the mistake of buying lots of mediocre players before, I believe the opposite but players that will instantly improve the squad, imagine courtinio or Barkley and kova, I’d rather have a courtinio standards player for double the price and have a youth player as his back up than 2 ok players that don’t do much 

 
Coutinho is like Oscar for me, shows up for 3 or 4 months a season. 

Theres no doubting his ability, but it would be a very expensive. 

I would much prefer Joao Felix. He's more suiited to play across the front 3, and his career is just taking off, rather than hitting a plateau or declining. I get the same vibes watching Felix, as i did watching Hazard at lille. Some players are just destined for greatness.

 
WalterWhiteCFC said:
I dunno about that I think we have made the mistake of buying lots of mediocre players before, I believe the opposite but players that will instantly improve the squad, imagine courtinio or Barkley and kova, I’d rather have a courtinio standards player for double the price and have a youth player as his back up than 2 ok players that don’t do much 
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Except Coutinho plays better on the left or as a #10. If the signing happens then we can either say goodbye to CHO or Ruben's progress will stop.

Much rather we spent the money on a WC Striker then sell Morata to fund a transfer for a LB like Telles. Our squad would at least go up a level.

 
Deino said:
Except Coutinho plays better on the left or as a #10. If the signing happens then we can either say goodbye to CHO or Ruben's progress will stop.

Much rather we spent the money on a WC Striker then sell Morata to fund a transfer for a LB like Telles. Our squad would at least go up a level.
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With that point I do agree, I would rather have a top end striker, my main point is go for a game changer not a couple of decent players that won’t aprove our level, on my opinion a top striker and left back would make us contenders. 

However I’d still want a top winger and cho and pulasic can compete for the other spot and rotate I don’t think those 2 can carry a top club just yet although isn’t like to be wrong I think I’m a couple of years yes but not yet 

 
Don't see why a we shouldn't go for him - if he's available. Would be brilliant if we could get if for something like 50M + Willian. Doubt it though. With Barca getting Griezmann (Seems to be pretty certain) - they'll have some choices to make.

Either keep Coutinho as rotation for Griezmann - leaving Dembele with limited options (not to mention Malcom, whom I believe they're going to send on loan - or sell). Can't see why they'd swap out Malcom for Willian - and likewise with Willian/Coutinho - even if they get additional 50M. So it'll be difficult.

Sure, it wouldn't be ideal for CHO, Pulisic or RLC - but not really that big of a problem either. We need someone in the midfield that can either:
1. Split or open up a tight low-standing defence. Hardly what Ruben, Barkley and Kanté are doing the most. 
2. Create a threat from the distance, forcing opponent defences to push forward.  Barkley, RLC and Kanté will probably provide us with 2-3 of these goals per season at max. 

The upside is that both Coutinho and RLC can play in the midfield and on the wing. This gives us plenty of possibility to play both at once. With CHO being out - maybe until sometime around winter - we are in need of some better alternatives than Pedro and Willian. We can't know for sure what we'll get in Pulisic. He's only 20 - and can easily swap around with CHO when the time comes. 

I'd love to see Coutinho at Chelsea, if...
- We can't get a better option like Dybala. Or even Sané, who's reportedly been offered to Bayern. Not sure City will sell to us, though.
- His motivation is in top.  As some have mentioned he has a problem with falling out of games at times. 

To the one that mentioned Alex Telles - oh my, I'd like him at Chelsea. Not sure wheither it's just the league. Could Emerson  do what he's doing at Porto? The league is a lot weaker than the PL. When Telles was on loan at Inter, they had a chance to sign him for next to nothing, and decided not to. Then Porto came calling, where he has flowered again. There are lots of great possibilities though. Gaya, Chilwell and perhabs Alaba even. 

 
big blue said:
Coutinho is like Oscar for me, shows up for 3 or 4 months a season. 

Theres no doubting his ability, but it would be a very expensive. 

I would much prefer Joao Felix. He's more suiited to play across the front 3, and his career is just taking off, rather than hitting a plateau or declining. I get the same vibes watching Felix, as i did watching Hazard at lille. Some players are just destined for greatness.
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Let's not lie, the half season at Liverpool he had before joining Barca and the season before, he was brilliant for Liverpool. But that can happen when you go Barca, when you are surrounded by world class stars. Can be difficult for you to shine. Apart from pace, (not that he is a slouch), he has everything to his game and I think he would be a good signing for any PL team if he were to end up at them.

 
STATS said:
Let's not lie, the half season at Liverpool he had before joining Barca and the season before, he was brilliant for Liverpool. But that can happen when you go Barca, when you are surrounded by world class stars. Can be difficult for you to shine. Apart from pace, (not that he is a slouch), he has everything to his game and I think he would be a good signing for any PL team if he were to end up at them.
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No lies, the season he moved to Barcelona, he had a slow start because he spat his dummy out over not getting his move, then he had a good couple of months. 

The season before, he had a good start, faded and missed a few games with injury, and then finished strongly. 

He's 26, and he hasnt a had anywhere near a full season of consistently performing close to his best. 

 
STATS said:
Let's not lie, the half season at Liverpool he had before joining Barca and the season before, he was brilliant for Liverpool. But that can happen when you go Barca, when you are surrounded by world class stars. Can be difficult for you to shine. Apart from pace, (not that he is a slouch), he has everything to his game and I think he would be a good signing for any PL team if he were to end up at them.
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Strength and defensive work rate are so important in a Sarri midfield three and Coutinho has neither of those. On the wing Sarri also likes pace, wouldn't fit there either. 

Coutinho isn't a bad player, but he would be a bad fit for us. 

 
big blue said:
No lies, the season he moved to Barcelona, he had a slow start because he spat his dummy out over not getting his move, then he had a good couple of months. 

The season before, he had a good start, faded and missed a few games with injury, and then finished strongly. 

He's 26, and he hasnt a had anywhere near a full season of consistently performing close to his best. 
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Key point here.  If he was 23 or 24, I'd be fully on board.  If we actually are looking at buying an attacking midfielder (I assume that is where we would play Coutinho, don't see him at LW in Sarri's system), then there are better, younger options out there, and they could very well be cheaper (Fernandes or Milinkovic-Savic to name two).

 
mwblue10 said:
Key point here.  If he was 23 or 24, I'd be fully on board.  If we actually are looking at buying an attacking midfielder (I assume that is where we would play Coutinho, don't see him at LW in Sarri's system), then there are better, younger options out there, and they could very well be cheaper (Fernandes or Milinkovic-Savic to name two).
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Could is definately important to remember here. Coutinho was the absolute star at Liverpool. At Barca he's failed to deliver. Still, Milinkovic-Savic hasn't really been anything special this year. 

39 games with 5 goals and 4 assists across all competitions. He's been in the shadow of players like Lucas Leiva - and still, knowing Lotito, he'll be expensive. Very Expensive. 
- We're talking about a man, who's been out in public stating that he's refused a bid of £140M for SMS once. He's not going to let him go for cheap. And certainly not for the price you would assume Coutinho would be available for.

Fernandes on the other hand is a player which I really like. Sporting has been dealt with a great hand here though. Several clubs are after him as I've read - including Man City. He could easily end up costing more than the qouted £70M.

And who is really the better player?
1. Coutinho, who is proven in the PL, and who has been carrying Liverpool on his shoulders at times - which earned him interest from every single club in the world - with Barca being the one he wanted to go to...
2. Fernandes, who have enjoyed two brilliant years at Sporting - but was sold from both Udinese and Sampdoria for almost nothing, despite being young and talented? 

I know who I'd count on. With that being said, I do think Fernandes could really bring something as well - I think he's Man City-bound though.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Strength and defensive work rate are so important in a Sarri midfield three and Coutinho has neither of those. On the wing Sarri also likes pace, wouldn't fit there either. 

Coutinho isn't a bad player, but he would be a bad fit for us. 
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That is a good point aswell, as brilliant as coutinho is on his day, he didnt really fit into klopp's team, because he lacked the physical capabilities to press effectively enough. He wasnt a good fit for Klopp, and he wouldnt be a good fit for Sarri. 

mwblue10 said:
Key point here.  If he was 23 or 24, I'd be fully on board.  If we actually are looking at buying an attacking midfielder (I assume that is where we would play Coutinho, don't see him at LW in Sarri's system), then there are better, younger options out there, and they could very well be cheaper (Fernandes or Milinkovic-Savic to name two).
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His age doesnt really bother me, i only pointed it out, because i think if he hasnt shown consistancy by now, then maybe he never will, which makes me skeptical about spending so heavily on him. 

I really dont think we need an attackong midfield. We have RLC, Barkley as a back up, and Mount coming through. The more pressing need is in the front line, so i'm hoping if we can spend big, we spend it on Wingers and Strikers.

 
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