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So it's Pochettino...and now officially gone!

Term_X said:
Damning stuff and evidence supports all of it.

Fans have short memories, as proven by the ridiculous reaction by some on here. Recency-bias after scraping 6th, thanks to a ‘fluke’ tactical switch due to circumstances. This season was torture 75% of the time, it was just vibes, nothing to believe in. Poch is a dinosaur with good PR, Saudi is the best place for him now. He had never and will never touch silverware on these shores, after a near 10 year stint. What a legacy. 🤦‍♂️
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It is damning stuff, but I don't know what evidence supports it ?

How does this reporter know Poch tried to sign ex Spurs players , when the actual evidence is that he had no influence on transfers?  

The Athletic is one of the more reliable media, but it still needs to generate clicks , and articles with no reference to any reliable sources are just the same as reading stuff written on here .

You would think our long interview process with Poch would have asked about training and how injured players are dealt with, especially as we were in the middle of an injury crisis at the time ?

 
forbzy said:
The board made the decision to start again with a new manager so realistically any progress made last season will be lost in the short term, unless a like for like manager was hired to continue the same path. But looks like the board are going to start again if they go with a more inexperienced manager so patience will be needed (from both players and fans). There is a good chance we will initially go backwards (at least in terms of league position) before any progress is made. I'd say midtable is likely next season.
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Clearly mid table is unacceptable, though. If 6th place and Europe isn't acceptable, why appointment the likelihood of regression? 

 
JM7 said:
BREAKING: Chelsea have narrowed down their search for Mauricio Pochettino’s successor to 4 candidates: 

🔷 Kieran McKenna 
🔷 Enzo Maresca
🔷 Thomas Frank
🔷 Unknown 

Chelsea have dropped interest in Stuttgart’s Sebastian Hoeness and Girona’s Michel.

(via @Matt_Law_DT)
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Narrowed cause the other two are not interested most likely.

19seventyone said:
It’s going to be Maresca. 
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forbzy said:
Agreed. Where would we have been without Hazard when he was at his best? Still very good no doubt but he probably made the difference when it came to winning some trophies at the time.

But good players like Cole don't usually last long at mediocre/underachieving teams. So we will need to continue progressing towards champs league and competing for the major trophies, or we will risk losing him in the next few years. The lates reboot makes that task much harder.
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If Cole want to leave, that is fine 100m and we just sign another wonderkid.

 
terraloon said:
Sorry but your posting  is based on the negative press speculation from the likes of the DM yet you seem so keen to dismiss press stories that paint a somewhat different picture 

Of course there will be two sides to the story and the reality is we just don’t know what is fact or conjecture.

I once worked for a manager who told me that having x number of years experience is ok in one way but the reality is that the only period that is relevant is the most recent year. Experience can be a good thing but it can also in a changing environment be one of the biggest blockers .

The more I read people’s opinions it’s abundantly clear that far too many just want to see the negatives. It’s always a yea but type of response. 

As I have posted earlier in the thread I know what I witnessed and that was a coach who didn’t get close to the potential from the squad. It’s easy to dismiss the Athletic article but for me there are several things within that ring true from the lack of match prep to the fact that so many players returning from injury immediately were out again  and likewise playing the likes of Colwill in a position he had never occupied even in his academy days.

There was a reason Spurs didn’t look to bring him back last summer and that goes back to a relationship a HC  has to have with the owners. It’s nonsense to suggest that in the modern era that these multi billionaire owners rely on one man to make strategic decisions it’s downright denial and arrogance if a HC believes that they will be given total power. 

Yesterday’s managers would not get close to succeeding in the modern era even the likes of Mourino is yesterdays man . I for one welcome the idea of a young , dynamic and modern coach being appointed and the whole point about putting into place a collaborative approach is to draw on skills that others possess not simply to dismiss the value that they bring. Was it fact or conjecture the MP fought against the appointment of a set piece coach?

We have seen what happens when the  club appointed experienced managers as replacements. From the BFW to Scholari they came with impressive CVs but really were past their sell by date.

Then we can talk about AVB, Potter and Frank. AVB stood no chance because quite simply the dressing room was too strong, too experienced and had the ear of the owner. Potter as we probably now can see was the front but it was the skill set behind the scene of the data anyalists the sporting directors and yes the owner that was key . Frank ironically had had one decent ( not great ) season at Derby when he got the gig but he clearly after season one when the decisions were forced on him ( transfer ban) had a good first season but we quickly both in season two and his last  temporary period saw his lack of ability.

My point is that so many harp back to RAs version of Chelsea they almost it seems to me want the new ownership group to fail. That may be harsh and of course there needs to be signs of moving forward but Poch wasn’t anywhere close to the right fit we all now that and yes we can rightly question why he was ever appointed but come on why are so many shedding Crocodile tears now that they have righted that wrong ?
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Let's start with poch. 

I don't care if we fire poch, as long as we don't hire crazy manager, we should be fine. 

Colwill as lb. Thank God we don't have pep/Arteta as our manager. City played 5 cb, Arteta played with 5 cb at the back. 

2nd, I don't care if you are young progressive or old dinosaur manager. Every single manager will be unhappy if you sell their key player and replace them with kids. 

Like I said, it is quit clear that this is the plan for this board. Low wages, long contract, get to top 4. It is similar to Brighton, in the end of the day it is the board right to do what they want. 

 
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terraloon said:
I once worked for a manager who told me that having x number of years experience is ok in one way but the reality is that the only period that is relevant is the most recent year. Experience can be a good thing but it can also in a changing environment be one of the biggest blockers .
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In business that is completely true. At some point experience becomes a negative because you are not open to or in fact just become a me too follower of a new way of doing things. Happened to Mourinho, Wenger just for instance. Retrenching  the older generation and brining in fresh blood is a time honoured practice in business and relevant football management as well as to the players. Equally if experience is useful its usefulness will have been demonstrated in performance over the past 12 months. Otherwise you are better off down at the pub talking about the good old days.

 
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Not read whole thread so not aiming at anyone in particular on here but been very amused by level of outrage of Chelsea fans, many of whom as a collective never got behind Pochettino and wanted him sacked/gone some time ago. Wish has been granted and still moaning 😂

 
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I'm a fan and my opinion of the manager changes every game. Even though I know better

 
The Brit said:
Not read whole thread so not aiming at anyone in particular on here but been very amused by level of outrage of Chelsea fans, many of whom as a collective never got behind Pochettino and wanted him sacked/gone some time ago. Wish has been granted and still moaning 😂
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Perhaps that's because you haven't read the whole thread. If you had you'd probably see that in the vast amount of cases fans are not outraged by the sacking of Poch. Even with the run of recent results in the main we have lurched towards and clung on to the wins we've,  with a couple of exceptions.  The anger is coming more from the fact that it is unlikely that he will be replaced with anyone with higher credentials and that the players will bond with quickly enough to maintain and improve upon the recent progress.

 
ozboy said:
In business that is completely true. At some point experience becomes a negative because you are not open to or in fact just become a me too follower of a new way of doing things. Happened to Mourinho, Wenger just for instance. Retrenching  the older generation and brining in fresh blood is a time honoured practice in business and relevant football management as well as to the players. Equally if experience is useful its usefulness will have been demonstrated in performance over the past 12 months. Otherwise you are better off down at the pub talking about the good old days.
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Wow that's a bit of a sweeping comment. I wonder if this is a comment about a sector of society that you don't belong to. Let's flip that and see what that would reflect in today's society. How about this comment.

In business most senior executives are from the older generation because whilst the younger generation may have fresh ideas they're just not mentally equipped to maintain focus and control whilst raising families.

Of course this is stereotyping and wrong. Similarly in business the older generation aren't necessarily resistant to change, in fact most have spent their working lives adapting to it, including suffering the f*ckwits in strategic development whose sole job it is to create change just to justify their purpose.

In business fresh blood occurs because we have to cover key person dependencies, because succession plans have to exist. In fact many of the older generation are far more reliable and can form the very foundation of a successful enterprise for the stability they bring as many no longer feel the pressure for further career progression, higher wages, peer pressure etc.

Sorry @ozboy not a dig at you and wildly off topic from all of your post, cos I actually think you're a poster whose comments i really like. But dont go prodding us oldies mate, we might be losing our teeth but we can still fking bite.

 
timetowaste said:
Football and tactics wise he has what the board want, but I'm very concerned about his lack of experience in a top league. It's all well and good having the tactics but being able to deal with the pressure of a team like Chelsea is a completely different ball game. It's a massive risk, this is a genuine make or break decision for the sporting directors, if this appointment fails then they HAVE to go.
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Can anybody tell me why we have or need TWO sporting Directors?? It suggests that neither one was good enough on his own, and by God have they proved that !!!

 
Bob stark said:
Let's start with poch. 

I don't care if we fire poch, as long as we don't hire crazy manager, we should be fine. 

Colwill as lb. Thank God we don't have pep/Arteta as our manager. City played 5 cb, Arteta played with 5 cb at the back. 

2nd, I don't care if you are young progressive or old dinosaur manager. Every single manager will be unhappy if you sell their key player and replace them with kids. 

Like I said, it is quit clear that this is the plan for this board. Low wages, long contract, get to top 4. It is similar to Brighton, in the end of the day it is the board right to do what they want. 
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There’s a vast difference between a player being put into a different position and a player being coached in a different position and for me therein is the issue.

Being unhappy about selling players is one thing but the fact remains players come and players go yes a  manager probably gets upset whereas the modern approach is that a HC acknowledges that they work with the players the club hierarchy employ but let’s just look at the Gallagher situation.
 

All that seems to be a proven fact is that he is just about to enter the last year of his contract. We have absolutely no idea as to what his demands are but one thing is for sure the sort of wages that were on offer in yesteryear won’t be on the table going forwrad

Should  they be ?
 

That’s a different matter I think it’s long overdue that the club try to get a handle on the wage bill with the wage cap soon to be introduced into the PL it’s incredibly important that clubs focus more than ever on this area of squad costs when opportunities exist. Irrespective it would be akin to business suicide to let him run down his contract particularly as their policy is to avoid such a situation by offering + 5 year contracts.

Simply put like Mount if you are unhappy with what’s on offer shake hands and move on and again like Mount it’s quite probable the grass isn’t greener and if ( and by that a  big if ) rumours are correct Man Us offer wasn’t that different to what was on the table at Chelsea.

Back to Connor. I fully acknowledge he has had a good season but personally I would snap any clubs hand off if they were to offer circa£50 million he I think is no better to Gundouezi ( spelling) who was sold by Arsenal. Bags of energy very average passing ability and poor timing in a tackle. Others will disagree of course but as they say football is all about opinions.

 
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I would give more credit to Conor (than above). I agree he is not the most gifted footballer but he is a brilliant character and his work ethic is par none in the league. I think most clubs apart from City would take him. Even Liverpool and Arsenal would have use of him. 

Could we do better than Conor, sure but we already have him. We also shouldn't undermine he is Chelsea boy. That has value as well.

 
WhiteWall said:
Wow that's a bit of a sweeping comment. I wonder if this is a comment about a sector of society that you don't belong to. Let's flip that and see what that would reflect in today's society. How about this comment.

In business most senior executives are from the older generation because whilst the younger generation may have fresh ideas they're just not mentally equipped to maintain focus and control whilst raising families.

Of course this is stereotyping and wrong. Similarly in business the older generation aren't necessarily resistant to change, in fact most have spent their working lives adapting to it, including suffering the f*ckwits in strategic development whose sole job it is to create change just to justify their purpose.

In business fresh blood occurs because we have to cover key person dependencies, because succession plans have to exist. In fact many of the older generation are far more reliable and can form the very foundation of a successful enterprise for the stability they bring as many no longer feel the pressure for further career progression, higher wages, peer pressure etc.

Sorry @ozboy not a dig at you and wildly off topic from all of your post, cos I actually think you're a poster whose comments i really like. But dont go prodding us oldies mate, we might be losing our teeth but we can still fking bite.
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I’m 70. I worked in investment banking research as I’ve said a few times. It’s an environment similar in some ways, as far as I can tell, to professional team sport. Regularly the older guys who were too expensive were purged. For the last few years I was doing a good job but taking up the space that younger folk, often more talented wanted. When I left I was more or less close to the oldest at my level in the industry but my time was up. I knew better, in my opinion, how to run the business than the actual team running it. So time to part ways. Equally 4 kids, 6 grandkids. I think I have some perspective. 

 
terraloon said:
There’s a vast difference between a player being put into a different position and a player being coached in a different position and for me therein is the issue.
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I don't understand. So poch playing Colwill as lb is different Guardiola playing stones as rb or ankanji as dm because of coaching? 

 
Bob stark said:
I don't understand. So poch playing Colwill as lb is different Guardiola playing stones as rb or ankanji as dm because of coaching? 
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I don't even think they meant Colwill. Levi played LB at Brighton a couple of times, also at Huddersfield, and also in our youth team. The position is not a huge unknown to him.

I think this is probably about Maatsen at RW (amusingly we won all three games he played there as well LOL)

 
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