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Saw an interview on the official website recently, they looked and sounded relaxed and almost comfortable with our current situation. I know they are not responsible for day to day activities but the route they are taking us on seems flawed in terms of who they are bringing in for the first team or indeed the near future.

They seem to have good credentials but are they right for Chelsea, will it all come good in say 3-5 years? Or do they need to modify their strategy to aid the current first team? Should Boehly & Behdad take a trip to their office rather than visit the dressing room after games?

 
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Many fans see success only in terms of the present, and see long term as a few months away. To the fans, we are a club first, and they want us to be a winning one NOW.

These guys on the other hand are looking at the bigger picture and frame long term in the mindset of multiple years -  not months. They probably see us as a business first. 

Whilst it is in everyone's interests to see success, it is easier to be relaxed and unaffected by short term volatility if taking a holistic long term approach. The same is true in all walks of life and business. But most fans don't want that. 

Although tim tok culture wants instant gratification, patience is a virtue. 

Personally - I am happy for the new approach. It is risky. It may not work. But I am glad we are trying

 
Many people wanted us to find the hidden gems before they got big and rose in price... this is the way to do it. I think they will buy experienced players for a few years now though to balance the squad. Definitely a clear strategy which is also what people wanted (yes I know mixed with winning games.)

 
nonotnowjim said:
Many fans see success only in terms of the present, and see long term as a few months away. To the fans, we are a club first, and they want us to be a winning one NOW.

These guys on the other hand are looking at the bigger picture and frame long term in the mindset of multiple years -  not months. They probably see us as a business first. 

Whilst it is in everyone's interests to see success, it is easier to be relaxed and unaffected by short term volatility if taking a holistic long term approach. The same is true in all walks of life and business. But most fans don't want that. 

Although tim tok culture wants instant gratification, patience is a virtue. 

Personally - I am happy for the new approach. It is risky. It may not work. But I am glad we are trying
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If they see us as a business first and i think they do and it takes 3-5 years will we still be in a position to benefit at a footballing level with perhaps no or limited european football and perhaps an exodus of some of the young talent.

i think the club might need results now more than the fans.

 
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nonotnowjim said:
Many fans see success only in terms of the present, and see long term as a few months away. To the fans, we are a club first, and they want us to be a winning one NOW.

These guys on the other hand are looking at the bigger picture and frame long term in the mindset of multiple years -  not months. They probably see us as a business first. 

Whilst it is in everyone's interests to see success, it is easier to be relaxed and unaffected by short term volatility if taking a holistic long term approach. The same is true in all walks of life and business. But most fans don't want that. 

Although tim tok culture wants instant gratification, patience is a virtue. 

Personally - I am happy for the new approach. It is risky. It may not work. But I am glad we are trying
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Everyone is happy to think long term - until it turns out something will have to be sacrificed short term. 
Human nature.

That being said, the road the owners have chosen is extremely risky and could backfire immensely - we’ll just have to wait and see

 
nonotnowjim said:
To the fans, we are a club first, and they want us to be a winning one NOW.

These guys on the other hand are looking at the bigger picture and frame long term in the mindset of multiple years -  not months. They probably see us as a business first. 
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In addition to supporters, the limited amount of decent players we have also want to compete and win now. Enzo, Chilwell, Silva, Poch and others openly talked about going for the Premier League title this season before it all kicked off v Liverpool. So now it's clear as day as those (and a few others) are striking increasingly frustrated figures while we for the second season in a row am in relegation form.
One can talk about a holistic long term approach until we are blue in the face but when the fans are against it, the players are against it and the manager is against it, it's doomed.

 
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OriginalS said:
In addition to supporters, the limited amount of decent players we have also want to compete and win now. Enzo, Chilwell, Silva, Poch and others openly talked about going for the Premier League title this season before it all kicked off v Liverpool. So now it's clear as day as those (and a few others) are striking increasingly frustrated figures while we for the second season in a row am in relegation form.
One can talk about a holistic long term approach until we are blue in the face but when the fans are against it, the players are against it and the manager is against it, it's doomed.
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I would bet that the public narrative (title challenge) is very different to the conversations being had behind the scenes. Poch was never going to come out and say the season is a free hit, as that takes the pressure of the players and gives them a way out if they decided to down tools.

The players are maybe a different question and none of us know what was/was not discussed with them individually....but we pay well, and have players tied up on long term contracts - so I am fairly comfortable with the situation player wise.

The important thing is that the owners, directors and manager are together, united and on the same page. If they all are onside and in agreement about working on a long-term project - then that is all that matters. The players we have purchased support that longer ter vision, and frankly, I couldnt give a toss what most fans want.  Fans are a fickle bunch- and I hope they will not be big consideration in our decision-making and club policy.  Listening to fans is rarely the right answer....

What we cant do is agree that we need to change our approach, and then shift the goalposts once we hit a sticky patch.

The only sensible outcome is for fans to be patient, look at the long term picture, reassess in 12 months and again in 24 months time. If it isnt working after 2 years, then we change. We cannot always flip flop around.

 
nonotnowjim said:
The important thing is that the owners, directors and manager are together, united and on the same page. If they all are onside and in agreement about working on a long-term project - then that is all that matters. The players we have purchased support that longer ter vision, and frankly, I couldnt give a toss what most fans want.  Fans are a fickle bunch- and I hope they will not be big consideration in our decision-making and club policy.  Listening to fans is rarely the right answer....
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I think your logic is flawed here. First of all, Pochettino is only on a two year contract, suggesting that he's brought in to deliver.
Secondly, Potter was sacked when we dropped to 11th place in April of last year, 14 points off Top 4.

If the owners were hellbent on this being a long-term project then why was Potter sacked? Surely it was because results weren't good enough in the present. And he a the manager that I genuinely believe they liked a lot and one they initially intended to be patient with.

 
With none of their expensive signings hitting the ground running, I imagine Stewart and Winstanley are on some dodgy ground. They probably need to see a short-term improvement in results in order to avoid a bullet from Clearlake, who have already shown an appetite for making changes for perceived non-performance (Potter, Koulibaly, Vivell, Glick just for starters).

Would not be at all surprised if Clearlake are still making overtures to the ex-Liverpool Sporting Director Michael Edwards.

 
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With none of their expensive signings hitting the ground running, I imagine Stewart and Winstanley are on some dodgy ground. They probably need to see a short-term improvement in results in order to avoid a bullet from Clearlake, who have already shown an appetite for making changes for perceived non-performance (Potter, Koulibaly, Vivell, Glick just for starters).

Would not be at all surprised if Clearlake are still making overtures to the ex-Liverpool Sporting Director Michael Edwards.
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Agree, Stewart & Winstanley may not be directly responsible for current team performance but they may find themselves accountable if the financial performance struggles.

If the performance is as is in two years time i doubt we will still be entertaining these two and their master plan.

 
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nonotnowjim said:
I would bet that the public narrative (title challenge) is very different to the conversations being had behind the scenes. Poch was never going to come out and say the season is a free hit, as that takes the pressure of the players and gives them a way out if they decided to down tools.

The players are maybe a different question and none of us know what was/was not discussed with them individually....but we pay well, and have players tied up on long term contracts - so I am fairly comfortable with the situation player wise.

The important thing is that the owners, directors and manager are together, united and on the same page. If they all are onside and in agreement about working on a long-term project - then that is all that matters. The players we have purchased support that longer ter vision, and frankly, I couldnt give a toss what most fans want.  Fans are a fickle bunch- and I hope they will not be big consideration in our decision-making and club policy.  Listening to fans is rarely the right answer....

What we cant do is agree that we need to change our approach, and then shift the goalposts once we hit a sticky patch.

The only sensible outcome is for fans to be patient, look at the long term picture, reassess in 12 months and again in 24 months time. If it isnt working after 2 years, then we change. We cannot always flip flop around.
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I doubt if the strategy will or should be changed to suit the fans desire. The positive of poor on pitch performance, if sustained, might be easier access to tickets for the die hards 🙂

 
OriginalS said:
I think your logic is flawed here. First of all, Pochettino is only on a two year contract, suggesting that he's brought in to deliver.
Secondly, Potter was sacked when we dropped to 11th place in April of last year, 14 points off Top 4.

If the owners were hellbent on this being a long-term project then why was Potter sacked? Surely it was because results weren't good enough in the present. And he a the manager that I genuinely believe they liked a lot and one they initially intended to be patient with.
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A two year contract does not mean he's here for instant success. 

 
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A two year contract does not mean he's here for instant success. 
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Exactly. It is a sensible move, which protects them against Potter style payouts, whilst allowing the club to assess progress within those 2 years.

Progress can be measured in a number of ways.

- Have we seen a positive trajectory of performances?

- Are we scoring more goals?

- Are we consistently giving teams a good match, instead of folding like an accordion?

- Have we changed our style from the drab and dour sideways/backwards - to something consistently more progressive? 

All of those things will point to progress, WITHOUT necessarily needing a corresponding move up the league to justify keeping Poch on. 

The silly thing is that by the end of Potter, we had seen some such progress (games against Milan, Dortmund and Villa spring to mind) - and yet the fans turned the place toxic. Lets hope the same doesnt happen in the event that we see similar progress under Poch (without the results).

 
I believe them, and Joe Shields, will be judged more on what happens with players like Santos, Paez and the like, than an Enzo or Caicedo.

Do players like Santos and Paez become stars for us, top players at PL, or European level if we return to it, and either look a snip for less than 20mill each or we sell on for Enzo level money and make massive profits?

If they get more of those right than wrong they have done their jobs. 

Enzo was a vanity signing by our owners as he was flavour of the month after the world cup, caicedo was the same in the summer.

No scouting needed to hear of them, no way they knew of Santos or Paez before our scouting department brought them up.

 
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Crikey are these two still here?

Surely we should see some glimmer of improvement by now? 

Boehly & Behdad must be very patient chaps.

What have they been working on that is so important that they completely missed Emma Hayes departure. Thiago Silva  will be another shock when he retires. 

I cant see what they bring or might bring in the future, it feels like the blind leading the blind.

There are some really poor teams in the Premier League and most of them are beating us.

Im not buying this 3-5 year project nonsense, we cant even score a goal with any regularity.

Do we really have to wait a decade for an improvement whilst paying a fortune for a squad that delivers mid table mediocrity?

 
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I think we should roll the mat up and start again, get the clowns out of this circus, that includes the ringmaster general, Boehly biggest joker since Bumbling Boris…

 
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