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TrueBlueSeaFC87 said:
Two matches in a row where VAR disgraced us...does a Chelsea player have to get injured before we can lodge a formal complaint?
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I just want to see the club stick up for itself a bit more. It's not normal for any club to be getting the terrible decisions we have been on the end of it in recent times. Can any club seriously say they have had it worse than us when it comes to VAR decisions? Every club has had a few bad VAR decisions go against them, this is just something that can and will happen, but seriously, can they list as many terrible decisions that we have had go against us? Earlier, I listed 4 incidents where we had been on the end of the wrong decision by VAR, not just a little wrong either, they were very wrong, so wrong that I don't see how these mistakes could be possible, and all of these decisions went against a single Chelsea player. Once, it can happen, twice is just unlucky, three times raises an eyebrow, four times really makes you wonder what is going on, and we still have a big chunk of the season left to go.

Today was probably the most damning moment against VAR so far in the Premier League, and it just happened to be against the club that VAR has been screwing with all season. I'm not having the human error excuse either, one or two maybe, but the amount we are seeing against us is absurd. These people are professionals, they trained for years and know every rule in the book, I'm not having the excuse that human error is at fault for moments like Lo Celso not being sent off today.

VAR has been screwing us over since the very first time it was used in one of our games. I remember the match clearly, it was an F.A cup match against Norwich, both Willian and Morata were fouled in the box, the ref booked them both for diving, but neither of them were dives, VAR choose to side with the ref though. We haven't had a single decision go in our favour that you would call a serious error, I'm not sure I can think of one at all where the refs have got it wrong, but can you imagine the reaction if they did? We would never hear the end of it. With us though, they haven't just got a few wrong, they have got a load of them so badly wrong that it's become farcical. 

Now, I'm not saying the refs hate Chelsea (although it's very hard not to think that way at times) but I have had a strong belief for a while now that Premier League refs never feel the same pressure to give decisions for Chelsea the same way they do with other clubs. We have all seen it for a long time now. When a bad decision goes against Chelsea, 99 times out of 100, it's forgotten about the next day, if another club is on the end of a bad decision, the reaction is totally different. It's all over the back of the newspapers, the pundits spend a whole week discussing it, clubs release statements saying how annoyed they are. We all remember the Costa crimes stuff, or the ref that apologised to West Brom after giving a last minute penalty to us, then of course we have Clattenburg admitting to fixing a game of football, which just happened to involve us again. How long are we going to blindly ingore all of these absurd things that keep happening? 

For a long time now, we have been seen as the villains of the Premier League, pretty much since the day Abramovich took over the club. It would be nice to see people at the club defend us once in a while instead of bending over and just accepting it. We need to grow a spine, I'm sick of the club always leaving the head coach to deal with these situations, they can only say so much without getting a fine and a ban themselves.

 
I really can't believe just how badly VAR is being administered and how week after week it goes on and we all have to put up with it.

When you get the rough decisions go against you, as supporters you feel victimized but let's face it, ALL teams at some point will be f**ked over by VAR (with the exception it seems of Liverpool)

These ridiculous offsides where goals are getting ruled out for a toe or elbow, that could have so easily been changed by now. Make it clear daylight between defender and attacker, otherwise goal stands. Before VAR we used to be gutted if a marginal offside ruled a goal out but at least you knew when the linesmans flag went up. Now the goal is scored, no flag and everyone celebrates only for minutes later to be ruled out and everyone is feeling left deflated. VAR is meant to be there for OBVIOUS errors, not things as marginal as a big toe in the build up.

There have  been some really poor calls nearly every week. Still think one of the worst was the late West Ham equaliser against Sheff Utd 'cos the ball brushed arm of Rice in build up which was unavoidable. We laughed at the time 'cos it was West Ham but you know deep down that one week it will be your turn and it's just not right. Yesterday Leicester felt cheated and rightly so. Obvious handball by KDB in box bot no penalty and then Man City GET a penalty later in game for handball in box! And poor Bournemouth, perfectly good goal ruled out at 0-0 and then at 1-0 down they equalize only for VAR to overturn and take play back to give Burnley a penalty, so instead of 1-1 it's 2-0. Of course I won't be feeling sorry for them if similar happens next week - we're due a result against our bogey team, but  you know that if you get a lucky call one week it will come back to bite you before long. VAR is the modern curse of football and it cannot be allowed to continue as it is at present.

 
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Fully agree Nibs. If we don't totally scrap it then I would be sympathetic to the idea of adopting the cricket approach.

Also the moment you are drawing lines on the pitch to see if someone is offside then a goal shouldn't be overturned. Unless you're hung like Claude Makalele then no part of your body is big enough for a line to be required to determine of it is a clear and obvious error.

 
Look at united. Red for Maguire not given. United player push Dave but foul given against dave.

Today clear dive and offside by their own rules. Joke.

 
The reason why VAR fails is not the technology. It is the same biased and corrupt people that put bent refs in charge in the first place to aid their favorite teams, we all know who those teams are, are running it for their own gain.

The english game reeks of corruption. And while we just sit back and take it, it always will do.

 
I actually don't think it is corruption in terms of back handers, think two things.

Laziness - VAR officials not really looking at situations correctly, after all they are not in front of a crowd so there is no pressure.

Bias - not willing to judge against certain teams, Utd, Liverpool and Spurs.

Re Clattenburg what he actually said was in a specific match he did not want to be seen as deciding the title by sending off Spurs players with a couple of matches to play for in a neck and neck premier race.

With VAR ironically that might have helped Clattenburg send those Spurs players off as they could show it on the screen. 

 
What is really getting on my nerves is how a lot of the ineptness of the on field ref is being brushed under the carpet due to VAR, Michael Oliver was terrible on the weekend and so was the ref against United on Monday however VAR seems to be getting majority of the bashing.

Had Oliver been stricter and not allow the Spurs players to get away with some outlandish physical tackles there wouldn't have been the case of lo Celso stamping on Azpi, he shouldve been booked in the first half for a couple of challenges and the kick out at Mount. At the time the commentators were lauding Oliver for allowing the game to flow yet that is the result you get when you allow a team to get away with aggressive challenges and this is not the first time Spurs have employed such tactics and we have been incredibly fortunate that none of our players have seen any serious injury in a few games against Spurs.

Also the only reason they actually owned up to the error was down to how obvious the mistake was and social media including Tottenham fans were pretty unanimous at what the result should've been therefore it was easier to own up that it was human error as opposed to besmirching the "VAR Process". #Shambles

 
Imran_CFC said:
What is really getting on my nerves is how a lot of the ineptness of the on field ref is being brushed under the carpet due to VAR, Michael Oliver was terrible on the weekend and so was the ref against United on Monday however VAR seems to be getting majority of the bashing.

Had Oliver been stricter and not allow the Spurs players to get away with some outlandish physical tackles there wouldn't have been the case of lo Celso stamping on Azpi, he shouldve been booked in the first half for a couple of challenges and the kick out at Mount. At the time the commentators were lauding Oliver for allowing the game to flow yet that is the result you get when you allow a team to get away with aggressive challenges and this is not the first time Spurs have employed such tactics and we have been incredibly fortunate that none of our players have seen any serious injury in a few games against Spurs.

Also the only reason they actually owned up to the error was down to how obvious the mistake was and social media including Tottenham fans were pretty unanimous at what the result should've been therefore it was easier to own up that it was human error as opposed to besmirching the "VAR Process". #Shambles
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I would recommend you watch the rants of both Andy Gray & Garth Crooks - both have stated that the implementation of VAR is not being used correctly in England for whatever reason

 
Has VAR improved officiating?  No........ Just like monkey's don't tend to cook 5 star meals......you could give them all the nicest gadgets in the world, but a Michelin Star will still never arrive.

With VAR it's the same thing..... doesn't matter how many tools you give, if you have an incompetent ref and give them technology to assist.........you'll simply get an incompetent application of the technology.

Nothing wrong with VAR aside from the incompetence of those using it and making the calls.

Of course VAR won't be perfect......but it should be getting obvious calls right, and certainly shouldn't be making the opposite call on situations that are almost identical.......... the inconsistency & incompetence, as always, comes form the human element.  You just can't explain the decision making of the human, but the technology did it's job which is why we know how ludicrous some of these decisions are.

VAR can easily do what it was meant to.  Correct clear and obvious mistakes....... you just need a competent person sitting in front of the screen.  

The technology is not the problem with VAR, but the personnel the PGMOL produces is the problem pre & post VAR.  Maybe they need competition for spots just like many players seem, because so far they just seem complacent in making horrific errors on a regular basis.....even with the aid of countless slow motion replays form multiple angles.  

 
I also think there should be some form of punishment for a match official who declines to use the pitch side monitor and where VAR gets it wrong.....force the match official to take accountability for officiating the game, and not foist that responsibility to some bloke sitting miles away in a room full of monitors........ wish I could just relegate any potential decision making mistakes to another employee for the files I am responsible for, but I actually have to be accountable for my responsibilities.

 
I know that I keep on bringing up the Rugby comparison, but they don't appear to have the same problems as we do.  As I understand it, the on-field referee has to ask for a review, and the video referee doesn't get involved unless he does.  I think that there is no automatic review.

There most definitely isn't a review back to 20 or 30 passes before a score to try to find an attacker with a toe 4 mm offside.

Also, it appear that the football VAR team's remit is to find a reason to disallow a goal.  Rugby's appear to be more about confirming the on-field referee's suspicions.

Generally, VAR (and refereeing in the UK) is either inept or corrupt.  I think it's probably a bit of both, with the majority of referees not really being very good, but also some of them will allow a personal preference to influence their decisions in subtle ways, to the detriment of the game as a whole.

This isn't saying that they are anti-Chels, but that they are just sh*te and partisan, mostly. Though, I can't see a Manchester-based team of referee and VAR monitor being allowed to oversee United against Liverpool without the scousers and the press screaming about it, and even more so if that team then made such obviously wrong calls as they did for the Mancs against us.

 
yorkleyblue said:
I know that I keep on bringing up the Rugby comparison, but they don't appear to have the same problems as we do.  As I understand it, the on-field referee has to ask for a review, and the video referee doesn't get involved unless he does.  I think that there is no automatic review.

Not true. The TMO can and does draw the ref's attention to things he may have missed, from a knock-on to a stamp or an off the ball tackle. Obviously, this does not rule out bias or corruption  - it's the TMO call whether he goes looking for incidents, or turns a blind eye.

There most definitely isn't a review back to 20 or 30 passes before a score to try to find an attacker with a toe 4 mm offside.

Again, this can happen, but it's usually serious foul play that was not spotted that will see a ref go back through several phases to rule out a try.  On Saturday France had a try ruled out against Wales for a very marginal forward pass quite a while before they crossed for the try.

Also, it appear that the football VAR team's remit is to find a reason to disallow a goal.  Rugby's appear to be more about confirming the on-field referee's suspicions.

It's entirely up to the ref how he wants the video review to be used. He can ask 'Try or no try?', which means he really does not know, or he can ask 'Any reason not to award the try?' which means the try  will stand unless something clear and obvious can rule it out.

Generally, VAR (and refereeing in the UK) is either inept or corrupt.  I think it's probably a bit of both, with the majority of referees not really being very good, but also some of them will allow a personal preference to influence their decisions in subtle ways, to the detriment of the game as a whole.

This isn't saying that they are anti-Chels, but that they are just sh*te and partisan, mostly. Though, I can't see a Manchester-based team of referee and VAR monitor being allowed to oversee United against Liverpool without the scousers and the press screaming about it, and even more so if that team then made such obviously wrong calls as they did for the Mancs against us.
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Totally agree with the last two paragraphs. I think refereeing in this country will improve when they get rid of Anthony Taylor and his Manc Var sidekick, and the Var cheat in charge of the Spuds game on the weekend.

 
Backbiter said:
Totally agree with the last two paragraphs. I think refereeing in this country will improve when they get rid of Anthony Taylor and his Manc Var sidekick, and the Var cheat in charge of the Spuds game on the weekend.
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Not like me to be wrong on SO many levels

 
It would help, if those officiating and those who have the responsibility of watching VAR actually do their jobs properly.

That sounds so obvious I accept.

But they haven't, have they ?

 
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