Villains or heroes?

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Bates is a hero all day and all night long.  No question about it in my mind.  Yes he didn’t buy out debt in the way Roman has but when you have £15 billion the level of investment Roman has made, although still massive to us, is not making him cut out the coupons before popping down to Lidl.

Ken was never in that money league and could never have gone down that same route.  Ken went down the ‘hard bloody work’ route to save our club. Remember his £1 purchase didn’t include the stadium which is the main asset of any club, especially one situated where we are. He knew exactly who was to blame for the mess we were in and he made damn sure they were either removed or sidelined.  Yes he often made enemies and only limited friends but everything he did was done in what he believed was the best interest of the club.  Yes he made mistakes, especially the hotel complex but even that was partially doomed by factors out of anyone’s hand.

Mears stabbed Ken in the back and Ken, as always, did not hold back when he let Mears know what he thought of him.

Ken saved our stadium and that, for me saved our club.

He is a bloody hero in my eyes.
Where did you buy your rose tinted spectacles mate ?Ken bought us for a quid and £1.5 million debt....he left us with a £80 million debt, and walked off as a multimillionaire on the back of the RA deal

He had no discernable plan of how we were going to pay back that eurobond and it was secured against the stadium.

He has left us the gift of the CPO, for which I am grateful, but despite our supposed worldwide following it still has only 12.000 members.

He's also bequeathed us the "village" with the ludicrous hotel complex that dwarfs the shed.

He fought his legal battles with the "save the Bridge" fund

All in all , good riddance to him. I thank him for two things, the CPO and pissing off Leeds !!

 
Very true stand outside the ground on a match day and ask them metro fans who is Johnny Boyle 80% would reply who the f**k does he play for 10% wouldn't understand the question cos they don't speak English 1% would say he is a Scottish Gangster
haha, so true rumpole...johnny Boyle used to go swimming at our local lido in Brockwell Park, imagine a footballer doing that today ?
 
He still drinks iiderton it's the buying them what he's given up are you a Stockwell boy only I'm a camberwell boy

 
John Daisey remember him ? I lived just of coldharbour lane myself moved out of there years ago knew Robbo etc I knew them well myself don't tell me you live down ilderton rd lol

 
John Daisey remember him ? I lived just of coldharbour lane myself moved out of there years ago knew Robbo etc I knew them well myself don't tell me you live down ilderton rd lol
haha, yeah I know John daisy, went to his wedding many years ago.Saw robbo last year, his younger brother passed away, went to his funeral.

No, don't live in ilderton road, but well spotted !

Small world eh ?

 
Gotta scoot Rumpole, chat to you later buddy, we probably know most of the same faces from that area and era.

Might have to chat in a PM though !!....layers.

 
Gotta scoot Rumpole, chat to you later buddy, we probably know most of the same faces from that area and era.

Might have to chat in a PM though !!....layers.
nice chatting to you as we'll will drop you a PM laters
 
Where did you buy your rose tinted spectacles mate ?

Ken bought us for a quid and £1.5 million debt....he left us with a £80 million debt, and walked off as a multimillionaire on the back of the RA deal

He had no discernable plan of how we were going to pay back that eurobond and it was secured against the stadium.

He has left us the gift of the CPO, for which I am grateful, but despite our supposed worldwide following it still has only 12.000 members.

He's also bequeathed us the "village" with the ludicrous hotel complex that dwarfs the shed.

He fought his legal battles with the "save the Bridge" fund

All in all , good riddance to him. I thank him for two things, the CPO and pissing off Leeds !!
ilderton do you have a mortgage on your house? Do you make the mortgage payments every month? Is your house now worth considerably more than the mortgage remaining on it? If it is, the value of the asset should ultimately help service the debt.

Factually I think you are wrong fella. Apart from the eurobond we had numerous loans at the time from different lenders at different rates of borrowing. Bate's and Trevor Birch were trying to consolidate the loans and reschedule the payment periods. Were we going to lose the ground over that? In all probability, no. The value of the assets Bate's had created were still considerably more than the sum owed.

As Birch said at the time;

"We needed to reschedule and stretch some of the commitments that we had," he says. "The [£75m] Eurobond was a lump payment each year. There were other commitments, football commitments with players who had been bought but who hadn't been paid for, that needed to be rescheduled.

"I think the financial side [at Chelsea] would have become an issue if certain actions weren't taken so all the plans were geared around stabilising the position, while certain contracts unwound. Chelsea had been caught by the acceleration of the transfer market which then left us with probably more players than we needed on probably more lucrative contracts than was prudent and therefore we had to try to untangle all those, contain things in order to rejuvenate the club."

It had also become clear that if an investor could be found, Chelsea would listen. "That had been ongoing," says Birch. "I had feelers out there and one of the banks that we had been talking to on our possible securitisation of all the debts, consolidation of all the debts, Abramovich had been talking to them".

If we take that at face value, and I see no reason why we shouldn't, the most likely outcome would have been the attempted sale of higher earning players, a smaller transfer budget and reduced playing staff. Yep, that may well have made us a weaker team on the pitch but it doesn't mean we would have ceased to exist as Chelsea FC which was a real possibility the minute the Mears family flogged off the Stamford Bridge freehold to developers.

The hotel is now considered a white elephant but Bates' thinking at the time was clear and logical, that we couldn't survive and grow on match-day gate receipts alone we needed to find new 24/7 income streams. Hence the hotel, Bluebells, the megastore, museum, restaurant, leisure club. The banks obviously thought it a credible business plan at the time otherwise they wouldn't have fronted up the money.

Ken Bates made mistakes, no argument. He was a stubborn, abrasive, polarising character but that stubborness ultimately served us all well in the battle to save our club. I can think of no other football Chairman, past or present, who could have fought the fight that Bates did over a decade and win. For that he always be a true Chelsea Legend in my eyes.

 
I got an horrible feeling it was only the Hooligan element that actually liked bates ? Lol :)Personally it's bates who has given me a personality disorder when ever I go to my mates drum in rural kent and see he's duck and chicken pen with the Electric fence stopping the animals from getting in and out of it I always think of bates

 
I got an horrible feeling it was only the Hooligan element that actually liked bates ? Lol :)Personally it's bates who has given me a personality disorder when ever I go to my mates drum in rural kent and see he's duck and chicken pen with the Electric fence stopping the animals from getting in and out of it I always think of bates
Yep, the electric fence sure was a stupid idea Rumpole. But Chelsea fans at that time were generally viewed as violent, racist scum by everyone from other clubs, to the police, to national newspapers. Did he ever really believe he would get Council permission to switch the power on? Nah, I don't think so, but the media storm against us was so strong I think Bates felt he had to show he was prepared to take a stand and do something or else risk further fines, (which he couldn't afford), ground closure and points deductions.

 
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See what one can do when one puts ones mind to it and of course when there wearing a half decent pair of bins

A lifelong fan of Chelsea football club, Harding responded to Chelsea chairman Ken Bates' call for new investment in the club in 1994 and invested £26.5m and joined the board. However, his time there was marked by frequent clashes with Bates, club chairman and majority shareholder, a man in many respects Harding's antithesis, over the new direction to be taken by the club. Ken Bates eventually banned Harding from the Chelsea boardroom and effectively limited his input and influence over the club. The dispute between Bates and Harding was continual and was only stopped after his death in 1996. Bates caused more controversy and upset many Chelsea fans, as well as friends and family of Harding, by calling him "an evil man" just a year after his death. Chelsea football club named one of the stands at Stamford Bridge the "Matthew Harding Stand

 
Just to dispel a common myth; Matthew Harding never gave money to Chelsea. He invested money, he loaned money, money that accrued interest and had to be repaid. 

Harding was a rich fan who probably started with the most honourable of intentions when he joined forces with Bates, but it was clear he was an impatient partner who wanted overall control. Bates would proably have handed the reins to him in due course but Harding had a different vision of the club's future and didn't want to wait. Hence the very public falling out. There were faults on both sides.

Ironically it was the calling in of Harding's loan by his widow that was one of the main problems Bates and Birch were dealing with at the time of the Abramovich takeover.

 
Just to dispel a common myth; Matthew Harding never gave money to Chelsea. He invested money, he loaned money, money that accrued interest and had to be repaid. 

Harding was a rich fan who probably started with the most honourable of intentions when he joined forces with Bates, but it was clear he was an impatient partner who wanted overall control. Bates would proably have handed the reins to him in due course but Harding had a different vision of the club's future and didn't want to wait. Hence the very public falling out. There were faults on both sides.

Ironically it was the calling in of Harding's loan by his widow that was one of the main problems Bates and Birch were dealing with at the time of the Abramovich takeover.
Same as RA mate....he hasn't given us money....its all in the form of loans which are held in a holding company, stands at about £800 million I believe.Bates was happy to take Hardings money to build the north stand...

Just look at Bates character, do you really think he came to our club to save it ?...no, bates is an opportunist, with an eye for making easy money....that's what our club was to him, while we were putting our cash into buckets he was getting a nice little earner from the club, eventually walking away as a multimillion on the back of our club and its supporters, and left us the most iconic part of the stadium looking like a Wendy house overwhelmed by his vanity hotel project.

He called the Chelsea Independent "parasites", fans who gave their time for nothing...he had to settle out of court.

He was an arsehole, pure and simple.

 
Abramovich is both hero and villian IMO. His money has turned us into one of the power-houses of world football and changed the face of football forever. The trophies and success have been great, certainly something none of us ever thought we would see back in the 70s & 80s. But in the process I think we have surrendered a lot of our Chelsea identity and soul, never moreso than when he sacked Di Matteo and replaced with him Benitez.

I guess there is no such thing as the perfect owner / chairman.

 
Abramovich is both hero and villian IMO. His money has turned us into one of the power-houses of world football and changed the face of football forever. The trophies and success have been great, certainly something none of us ever thought we would see back in the 70s & 80s. But in the process I think we have surrendered a lot of our Chelsea identity and soul, never moreso than when he sacked Di Matteo and replaced with him Benitez.

I guess there is no such thing as the perfect owner / chairman.
yes mate, but we are much more fortunate than many clubs, but I agree we have lost a lot of our identity and soul along the way.Many of my old mates who are passionately Chelsea can't afford to go anymore, they supported the club thru the lean years but are priced out now...its sad, but that's the price we pay I suppose

 
Just look at Bates character, do you really think he came to our club to save it ?...no, bates is an opportunist, with an eye for making easy money....
Surely then he could have just sold out the club to Marler like the Mears did, and would have made a packet years before Roman.

 
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