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Will we, or any team, ever be able to overthrow Guardiola's City?

City are just going to take Alonso when Pep's contract expires and continue dominating, aren't they?

 
There is a decent possibility that they lose KDB to Saudi and Silva to PSG or Barca at the end of the season.

i think their dominance is coming to an end and I can’t see Guardiola staying past next season. A new manager will likely change their way of playing and I highly doubt it will be nearly as successful as Pep

 
It's not just about the spending. If that were true than Pep's rant the other night may have some substance. 

City's current infrastructure has been in the making since 2008. With Txiki being appointed as Sporting Director and City Group being established with their multi club model, they have had enough time to create an effective operation in place. Books were definitely cooked but at the same time the sustainability they have seen during the past decade and a half is down to their current model. Rarely do their signings fail and if they do, they are gone in 2 years max. Pep's coaching has simply created more sustainability on the football pitch. I think they are too far gone for a club to catch them unless they experience a burnout. Even then, as we saw with Liverpool, City can lose out on the title and win the next 3-4. 

Clearlake have been trying to copy the same model and Liverpool, despite the moral high ground their fans continue to take, are now trying to implement the same model with Edwards as CEO. They too want a multi club system with an effective scouting network. 

 
Arsenal are in prime position to dominate. City have been at their peak for 4 years and I think it will now come to an end. Arsenal are almost at their peak and will be formidable for the next 4-6 years. We need to be ready after the next 2 seasons.

 
KonaKai Blue said:
Arsenal are in prime position to dominate. City have been at their peak for 4 years and I think it will now come to an end. Arsenal are almost at their peak and will be formidable for the next 4-6 years. We need to be ready after the next 2 seasons.
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It is not that easy. As you get better your wage bill start ballooning. They have paid big salary to get Rice and Kai. Soon Saka and saliba will demand one of the best player in the league salary. 

At the same time you need to continue signing player, it is hard to motivate the same player. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
It's not just about the spending. If that were true than Pep's rant the other night may have some substance. 

City's current infrastructure has been in the making since 2008. With Txiki being appointed as Sporting Director and City Group being established with their multi club model, they have had enough time to create an effective operation in place. Books were definitely cooked but at the same time the sustainability they have seen during the past decade and a half is down to their current model. Rarely do their signings fail and if they do, they are gone in 2 years max. Pep's coaching has simply created more sustainability on the football pitch. I think they are too far gone for a club to catch them unless they experience a burnout. Even then, as we saw with Liverpool, City can lose out on the title and win the next 3-4. 

Clearlake have been trying to copy the same model and Liverpool, despite the moral high ground their fans continue to take, are now trying to implement the same model with Edwards as CEO. They too want a multi club system with an effective scouting network. 
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Multi club system is not city secret, I don't think city has signed any important player form their feeder club. 

City secret is their ability to keep spending even when they are winning. 

We won the league under Mou, next season mou wanted stones and he got djilobodji. We won the league with Conte, he said he wanted Lukaku, vvd, etc2. Of course the club won't give him those player,no money. 

City's recruitment is of course very good but you can't do recruitment if you don't have the money. 

 
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Bob stark said:
Multi club system is not city secret, I don't think city has signed any important player form their feeder club. 

City secret is their ability to keep spending even when they are winning. 

We won the league under Mou, next season mou wanted stones and he got djilobodji. We won the league with Conte, he said he wanted Lukaku, vvd, etc2. Of course the club won't give him those player,no money. 

City's recruitment is of course very good but you can't do recruitment if you don't have the money. 
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Didn't we spend 260m the year after Conte won the league? We spend just as much, if not more than City. We just spend it on sh*te (usually).

A lot is made of City spending obscene amounts of money and there's no denying they did that to establish themselves as a big club but you can't fault them now. 

23/24: -130M net spend

22/23: +7M net spend

21/22: -45M net spend

This isn't crazy spending by a club. Go compare it to Arsenal / Chelsea / Utd etc. 

City are simply a better ran club with a hierarchy that works in unison with their management staff. 

 
Bob stark said:
Multi club system is not city secret, I don't think city has signed any important player form their feeder club. 

City secret is their ability to keep spending even when they are winning. 

We won the league under Mou, next season mou wanted stones and he got djilobodji. We won the league with Conte, he said he wanted Lukaku, vvd, etc2. Of course the club won't give him those player,no money. 

City's recruitment is of course very good but you can't do recruitment if you don't have the money. 
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It also helps that City had a stadium built for them which they pay the council £3 million per annum. 

 
I honestly remember a City mate of mine in 2013 told me that Pep would be joining City and I laughed at him. He said that everything was being built for him to come and Txiki was the man putting everything in place. 

Like I said, their operation and infrastructure was a decade in the making. It made it all the more easier that during that period, United, Arsenal, Liverpool, and ourselves were all basket cases in how they operated. 

 
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KonaKai Blue said:
Arsenal are in prime position to dominate. City have been at their peak for 4 years and I think it will now come to an end. Arsenal are almost at their peak and will be formidable for the next 4-6 years. We need to be ready after the next 2 seasons.
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Arsenal might have reached their peak already and couldn't win the league, I believe it all goes south for them from this point on, it was hard enough to keep this level for this long let alone to further push up.

Newcastle has been unlucky so far, they built a good squad that will only get better but the amount of the injuries they had were almost as bad as ours and then the Tonali situation impacted them as well. I predict Newcastle making better decisions in the future than Arsenal for example.

 
Good chance for us to finish 3rd next season. 

- City and Arsenal I think will be firmly 1-2. 

- Too many question marks over Liverpool. Think there will be a drastic fall off. 

- United are deep in the sh*t. 

- Villa will suffer the going up the table too quickly syndrome next season. 

- We are better than Newcastle. 

 
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Gol15 said:
Arsenal might have reached their peak already and couldn't win the league, I believe it all goes south for them from this point on, it was hard enough to keep this level for this long let alone to further push up.

Newcastle has been unlucky so far, they built a good squad that will only get better but the amount of the injuries they had were almost as bad as ours and then the Tonali situation impacted them as well. I predict Newcastle making better decisions in the future than Arsenal for example.
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No chance have Arsenal peaked. They are a couple of signings away from maintaining or going up a level. Similar to Halaand going to City. This is Rice's first season. If they can find a great striker, they are going go be hard to stop.  Newcastle and Villa will yoyo up and down. I wish you were right but you are incredibly wrong.

 
KonaKai Blue said:
No chance have Arsenal peaked. They are a couple of signings away from maintaining or going up a level. 
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This is the key. Can they continue spending? 

When you are winning and start signing player like rice and Kai, your salary will go higher and higher every season. 

 
KonaKai Blue said:
No chance have Arsenal peaked. They are a couple of signings away from maintaining or going up a level. Similar to Halaand going to City. This is Rice's first season. If they can find a great striker, they are going go be hard to stop.  Newcastle and Villa will yoyo up and down. I wish you were right but you are incredibly wrong.
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If they win their last match this season, Arsenal will end up with 28/38 wins, 89 points and 60+ goal difference.

Anyone that believes that Arsenal can do better than that is sus

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Rarely do their signings fail and if they do, they are gone in 2 years max. Pep's coaching has simply created more sustainability on the football pitch. I think they are too far gone for a club to catch them unless they experience a burnout. Even then, as we saw with Liverpool, City can lose out on the title and win the next 3-4. 
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Infact I think to the contrary.. they either buy established stars like Halland KDB toure who have done it already .. this was similar to us signing fabregas when we did. Their other bets fail quite often  actually.

 
KonaKai Blue said:
No chance have Arsenal peaked. They are a couple of signings away from maintaining or going up a level. Similar to Halaand going to City. This is Rice's first season. If they can find a great striker, they are going go be hard to stop.  Newcastle and Villa will yoyo up and down. I wish you were right but you are incredibly wrong.
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They spent 200m on Rice and Havertz, which were apparently the missing pieces of the jigsaw. If I'm not mistaken that was worth an extra 2 points compared to their previous campaign. 

 
Ukraine Bolt said:
They spent 200m on Rice and Havertz, which were apparently the missing pieces of the jigsaw. If I'm not mistaken that was worth an extra 2 points compared to their previous campaign. 
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I know a lot of Gooners are hoping they sign Isak from Newcastle and if they do, that could make the difference TBH.

There again, we'll be up there challenging next season......................!!

 
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