Wrong about Sarri?

With the club having now secured a place in next years Champions League it could be argued that Sarri has been successful. If the club win the EL it could be argued that he has even overachieved.

Given the current circumstances are the "Sarri outers" wrong?
I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.

Come June thank him, and part our ways.

 
Getting top 4 with our team is not an achievement.  It just isnt, the squad is very good, just missing a top striker IMO.  But i stand by my initial thoughts, we have gotten rid of other managers for the same, and the fans still aren't on his side.

The football is on the whole absolute pony, but i'd give him one more window to see if he can get us playing "his" way.  After 60 games it has not sunk in, so i hold little hope overall. People still forget he has never won a single pot and you can see why at times. Playing nice football is not what its all about, its about trophies and winning.   I like the guy and would like him to succeed, but his stubbornness is what will lose him his job.  He is also poor at changing tactics/system 'on the fly' - everything is like for like

To go Sarri In because we got 3rd and EL final is incredibly fickle... look at the bigger picture.  That is still not really enough for a club like us.... mental as it sounds.  I am more Sarri Out, but i think he will get another go simply because I think the board may consider top 4 an achievement given some of the results this season and dross football. 

 
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What is there to suggest we will all of a sudden start to play the Sarri way?

We looked good for two months to start the season. Since then we have seen no progression but unfortunately just got worse.

He's been here close to 11 months now. That is plenty of time to put your stamp on a team and while he certainly has done that its one thats not good enough.
And people say he has integrated youth, yes but against his will. And because he knew if he didnt, he was out on his arse

 
What is there to suggest we will all of a sudden start to play the Sarri way?

We looked good for two months to start the season. Since then we have seen no progression but unfortunately just got worse.

He's been here close to 11 months now. That is plenty of time to put your stamp on a team and while he certainly has done that its one thats not good enough.
I think that's where the disagreement is. In my view playing two games a week means it's difficult to stamp it in fully. 

My view is that we have been improving. We've been more direct and more aggressive. We've gone from showing sarris style for 20-30 minutes, to 45+ minutes. We've been creating chances that should be put away. We should have beaten United Burnley and Frankfurt away, we made enough clear cut chances to win those games (Burnley we shouldn't have conceded 2).

My view is that with a pre season and a couple of purchases, the football will improve. Your view is that we need to get a manager who has achieved nothing (coming 6th in championship is nothing, 2nd in serie a, cup finals and top 4 in PL is at least something) and spend 200m on players who play a formation and style of football that worked 10 years ago.

I'd rather we take our chance next year with a manager who has delivered us two finals and a top 4 and see what he can do next. Generally teams playing this style improve in a second and third year. 

 
was even claimed Marina was the only one who wanted his appointment

 
Sarri is not a top manager. He is light yrs behind Pep, Klopp, Mourinho, even Conte to be fair

 
Getting top 4 with our team is not an achievement.  It just isnt, the squad is very good, just missing a top striker IMO.   Win the EL and he would deserve another crack (might be in the minority there), but i stand by my initial thoughts, we have gotten rid of other managers for the same, and the fans still aren't on his side.
I think this is not fair to say at all.

The squad isn't really that great, all other top 4 teams have more world class players and all of them have better strikers and better back up strikers on their benches. So getting top 4 is an improvement from last season, that's an anchievement all things considered, ffs we got top 4 playing without a striker that's worthy of Champions League football.

Sarri came and changed our system, we looked weak in defense for most part of the season and we look clueless in attack most of the time, even so Sarri got the result and deserves some credit for it because our goal wasn't to compete for the title but to get Champions League football.

Remember that last season it was a gap of 30 points, Man city had 100 points and we had 70, now they have 95 and we have 71 with 1 game to go, Sarri might not be the long term solution but this squad can't do much better than this so we shouldn't sack Sarri when he actually did get us where everyone wanted to end up! 

 
I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.

Come June thank him, and part our ways.
What are you referring to here!?

 
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What are you referring to here!?
The usual pathetic start to a second half, this manager certainly can't fire up the team with his half time team talks.  Stood on touchline as Frankfurt run circles round us in second half and he had no idea what to do. Simply not good enough as I've said we made top four in spite of him

 
I wonder if some decide to support Sarri just because they don't like the Sarri-critics and don't want to admit they are right
Yes, that is totally it: despite not knowing you, I don't like you at all, and I don't like your opinions, even though you are ab-so-lu-te-ly right  :smile:

Disagreeing with you isn't the same as being against you (and others).  Perhaps re-reading some posts here will make it clear the remainers have formed an opinion without considering the leavers.

 
I think he has probably hit his target by securing a top 4 slot and getting us to a couple of finals.

I just think with Hazard more than likely leaving it is a very important time for us and if we don’t find a way to try and replace the goals and creativity that Hazard gives us then next season will be a tough one.

I’m just not confident that he is the man to see us through this change.

I also think his stubbornness could be his downfall, you could almost see him trying to find a way of keeping Kovacic and Higuian.

If he ends up staying he needs to find a way of tweaking his style for the Premier League not creating an exact replica from a slower, lower standard Italian league.

 
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I wonder if some decide to support Sarri just because they don't like the Sarri-critics and don't want to admit they are right.

I can't imagine anyone watching the game against Frankfurt and thinking "yes this manager should lead us next season for sure".

We have gotten much better lately according to some of them, and yet we have won one out of our last five games. You can believe we have improved, but it's still nowhere near good enough.
That just gives absolutely no context to the point I made as I'm guessing the first line on the last paragraph was partly aimed at me.

When you are trying to build a completely new playing style you have to look at more than just the results in isolation. We win 1-0 with no shots and a last minute own goal excellent we have got the points, 3 ahead in the table but in terms of the building process a step back. 

In terms of our build up play and speed of play, massive strides has been made since the winter period. Back then we were moaning because we couldn't create anything, now we are moaning because we keep wasting chances which suggest more are being created, we seem to move the ball a bit faster aswell. Now are we perfect? Nowhere near but it's to be expected, awful first half against Watford fantastic second, very good first half against Frankfurt crap second, crap game against Cardiff, excellent Vs West Ham, we are an inconsistent team right now and we are going to keep flip flopping from the good to the to the bad probably for the next year as we aren't building a results now project any more.

Also Napoli weren't actually that good to watch in Sarri's first season, they had similar games to some of our worst this but they had one major advantage, they had Gonzalo Higuain in the form of his career, we haven't had that luxury.

Now I have far from been blindly supporting Sarri and around February time I started to have doubts for these two reasons.

Squad management

Capiluating after setbacks

(I'm not and wasn't too worried about his supposed lack of flexibility regarding formations, changing formation on the spot being a good thing is an urban myth as Unai Emery is proving, all the top managers have a chosen formation and stick to it largely)

Both those faults he's improved on since then, he's rotated well in this run in and has only really overplayed Azpi and Jorginho while the last month or so we have reacted a lot better to set backs.....

Cardiff, Burnley, Frankfurt, United all points won from behind (well not points in Frankfurt but you know what I mean) something that would never have happened a few months back, heck even the response at Anfield after two down when Hazard hit the post twice was a positive in the grand scheme of things.

Now am I totally 100% convinced with Sarriball? No, but all things considered he deserves the benefit of the doubt, especially if the alternative is reverting back to pragmatism a way of football which is slowly dying a death at top level football, hence Mourinho's fall from grace. 

 
Being an armchair fan I see very little apart from youtube highlights, MOTD and the odd streaming (I don't do sites where I need to download anything)  where I do see all the match. I also read the on-line reports.

I agree on us being boring the first part of the season yet we seemed to change after Feb and look exciting recently with RLC in midfield.

Could we be better, yes, yet not with the squad we currently have, it needs to be done in the summer probably using some of our loanees assuming the ban sticks.

No major improvement then he goes next season. If we do it before, we just look like a club with no patience and it will put off other coaches from getting involved with us in the future.

 
The usual pathetic start to a second half, this manager certainly can't fire up the team with his half time team talks.  Stood on touchline as Frankfurt run circles round us in second half and he had no idea what to do. Simply not good enough as I've said we made top four in spite of him
I'd be quite happy to replace Zola rather than Sarri if motivational half time team talks is the issue. 

 
People are saying our football has improved as the season progressed, I must be watching a different team!

Then again I’m not a football connoisseur unlike our Sarri........

 
Two of those are not in the league, the other two finished above us, do you pick cherries for a living ? 
stop being a div. He is not a top manager and they were the ones i could think of in a quick few seconds.  I'd have Poch before Sarri, too, and he could finish below us.  mmm cherries.  90% of the fanbase do not want him and the reasons are almost all the same.  Whether those managers are in the league or not, theyre both managers we have sacked, (wrongly in some cases) and yet people wnated them sacked but to give Sarri a second go?   Just absolutely odd.

Like i said on paper what he has done it deserves a second chance, but at our club, it doesnt

 
People are saying our football has improved as the season progressed, I must be watching a different team!

Then again I’m not a football connoisseur unlike our Sarri........
Closely re-watch a game back in December-Febraury that's not Huddersfield at home and then closely watch a game from the cup final onwards that isn't Cardiff City or Slavia away then you'll see why me and others are saying so.

 
Also makes me laugh the ones desperate to shoot down anyone wanting Sarri out, are the same ones who never even touted him for the job post-Conte.   You'd Never heard of him until he got linked here 

 
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