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Antonio Rudiger

a lot of speculation in the media but as Carlton Cole found out we dont do business with the spurs.. i think Rudi might go out on loan but certainly not to Spurs.. it will something a little out of the blue like barkley.

 
Yeah that was a rumour but these kind of rumours always chills the spine. One D must go and it most probably is Rudi. 

 
I'm only going to be upset if Jose suddenly turns Rudiger into prime Maldini

 
Rudi to that shower of N London sh*te, they have never helped us out, so f**k right off

 
Argo said:
Why Barkley? Why get rid of a proven squad player in a season we're playing midweek and weekend turnover almost every week?
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Why Barkley, bit of a moot point now he's buggered off to Villa on loan.

 
CFCCAN said:
Why Barkley, bit of a moot point now he's buggered off to Villa on loan.
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Still doesn't make it the right decision and we could feel his loss if we have an injury crisis. Him standing up while we were dropping like flies was a big reason we made top four and a cup final.

However it does seem Ross himself pushed for it as opposed to us ushering him out so I'm not as annoyed as I was initially.

 
Droopy said:
It's unbelievable how much some players can be tolerated and how less others. Rudiger is treated like a trash after 2 very good seasons and one bad right after nasty  injury  and Christensen is still a regular starter after very good 6 months and terrible 3 years and a half. No injuries, different managers, different styles, absolutely zero excuses for him. Meanwhile the same excuses with the injuries are apparently to be valid for the likes of CHO, Loftus-Cheek even Barkley at the beginning. 

Is it too much to judge the players by same standards? I would agree with either to blame them for their sh*tty performance despite the injuries or with the 'not guilty' due to the injuries. But mixing it like that based on the player and whether you like it or not... that's low.
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Well its not that black and white, if I had to guess why AC is being kept I'll imagine it's down to these reasons.

1. AC is more content to rotate/fight whereas Rudi wants regular football.

2. AC from being an academy boy doesn't cost anything in terms of amortization cost and frees up a HG spot.

3. There's a lot of defenders that have inconsistent/hard times in their early 20's and mature in their second half of the 20s (Lucio/VVD for example). One things that can't be denied is AC has a higher ceiling than Rudi and early signs are despite the red Vs Liverpool we're starting to see a bit more of consistentcy from him.

 
jack_super_class said:
Still better than Christensen though.
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Lamps clearly doesn't think so.

It's a pity, because in his early days with us, I thought he was decent. Defended well and scored a few goals. But let's face it, his form has fallen off a cliff, so much so that you're always waiting for his next error. I know all of our defenders have errors in them, but Rudige has been the worst since we returned in June. So if we can get him off the wage bill and perhaps get a transfer fee (rather than a loan), it will make sense.

 
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Lampard seems to change his mind regularly about who our best centre backs are, presumably because he's not completely satisfied in any of them.

If Rüdiger goes to a rival then I feel that we would regret it. A loan back in the fatherland would make more sense.

 
Rudiger needs to play more regularly so, if no-one else come in then move to Spurs that way no dressing room disharmony. 

 
bluedave said:
Lampard seems to change his mind regularly about who our best centre backs are, presumably because he's not completely satisfied in any of them.

If Rüdiger goes to a rival then I feel that we would regret it. A loan back in the fatherland would make more sense.
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I am not a fan of loans in general. 

Sure you have an emerging teenager, you want to loan him out so he can get regular play time and continue his development at a senior level.

But for a guy in his mid and late 20s, he ain't growing no more. If he's not up to the standards you need, just sell them. Sell them cheap if you have to, so you can move onward and forward.

 
I think we would be absolutely mad to give him to spurs on loan. They are building a great squad and we will only make them stronger. Our defence is ropey and yet we are letting our best CB go. Frank needs to sign a commanding CB asap if hes willing to let rudi go.

 
strangebutblue said:
I think we would be absolutely mad to give him to spurs on loan. They are building a great squad and we will only make them stronger. Our defence is ropey and yet we are letting our best CB go. Frank needs to sign a commanding CB asap if hes willing to let rudi go.
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He's not our CB, infact he was our worst last season and that's saying something.

 
strangebutblue said:
I think we would be absolutely mad to give him to spurs on loan. They are building a great squad and we will only make them stronger. Our defence is ropey and yet we are letting our best CB go. Frank needs to sign a commanding CB asap if hes willing to let rudi go.
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If you rate Rudiger then i understand why you wouldn't want him to go there.

But i think he's technically a pretty awful football player. if your'e after a big lump of a defender Rudiger is your man, but that's all your'e getting.

The worst CB/Keeper partnership i have seen at this club in many years has been the Kepa, Rudiger, Christensen threesome. Add to them Alonso and its probably the worst defence since the early 90's.

No surprise in midweek, the first game all 4 are not around, we looked pretty good at the back.

Giving Rudiger to Spuds is very appealing to me. :wink:

 
I would never let one of our players go to Tottenham. If this was the other way around, they would never even consider giving us one of their players. 

I also think Rudiger is being written off too early. Even though he was very poor last season, there is still a chance he can get back to his best form, which is better than anything Christensen, Zouma and Tomori have shown in their careers so far.

 
Scott Harris said:
I would never let one of our players go to Tottenham. If this was the other way around, they would never even consider giving us one of their players. 

I also think Rudiger is being written off too early. Even though he was very poor last season, there is still a chance he can get back to his best form, which is better than anything Christensen, Zouma and Tomori have shown in their careers so far.
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I don't think that is necessarily true, I think Zouma is a better defender then Rudiger and has showcased that during the time they have played together and even whilst playing at Everton. I think Rudiger had his best year with us under Sarri and if we compare the 2 using Rudiger's best season and the same season when Zouma was playing for Everton it clearly shows us defensively Zouma is a superior defender:

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These figures are despite Zouma playing 262 fewer minutes to Rudiger.

Having said that I agree we need to give Rudiger a chance especially over Christensen who I believe is an inferior defender to Rudiger and more susceptible against more physical attackers.  

 
Zouma's stats should be higher than Rudiger's that season seeing as Everton were doing much more defending than we were. Zouma was actually pretty poor that season, same goes with the whole Everton defence. They were the worst team in the league for set pieces if I remember correctly.

 
Scott Harris said:
Zouma's stats should be higher than Rudiger's that season seeing as Everton were doing much more defending than we were. Zouma was actually pretty poor that season, same goes with the whole Everton defence. They were the worst team in the league for set pieces if I remember correctly.
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Well his defensive stats are better than Rudiger's last season too, your initial statement was his best form is far better than anything Zouma and the rest of our CB's have shown all there careers, statistically that is inaccurate and Rudiger even fails the eye test. 

Zouma does look unconventional when on the ball but defensively he is the most secure CB we have. 

I actually rate Rudiger but similarly to Alonso he operates at his optimum levels whilst playing in a back 3, in a back 4 I find his decision making a littlw questionable at times. 

 
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